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Title: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 30, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
Just the details of a few ideas I'm trying for the new car.  It can't have its own build thread 'cos at the moment it doesn't have a name.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 30, 2014, 02:00:59 PM
The New Furrari/ California is based on a 2004 SL500 with about 90,000 on the clock.  Mechanically it's good having spent over an hour on the Star Computer at WDM just round the corner from DNA being checked.  I've used WDM since I bought my SLK a few years ago.

The interior is not too bad, well it's good for a car with 90,000 on the clock.  It's grey and black and a bit boring.

The carpets are grey and are in good condition as they have been covered with over mats.  I want black but Merc carpets are moulded so difficult to renew.
After contacting Merc I have found that the carpets are a polyamide which can be redyed.  I took the boot floor mat (cos it justs lifts out) to Mars Midlands in Bloxwich who steam cleaned it and redyed it black.  Looks very much fresher than before so that is the route we will follow for the rest in due course.

No pictures, it's only a boot mat.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: sundog on January 30, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
i had both cars sl 350 sl 500 they are both amazing
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 30, 2014, 02:57:33 PM
While I am on the subject of boot floors on the SL there is potential problem with the hydraulic and pneumatic pumps on both the SL and the SLK.  If the boot seal drain block or the seal deteriorates then the spare tyre well will flood.  The lowest point of this is the depression the pump motors and connections.  If these corrode it's a £500 bill for bits.  
The remedy is to drill a hole in the bottom of the well and fit a grommet before the problem manifests itself.

The other source of damp if putting a wet roof away but like all other convertibles you are stuck with this although there is a sliding tray over the luggage which needs to be in place before the roof can open or close.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 31, 2014, 05:59:21 PM
First of all a warning.  Don't mess with the electrics of the SL unless you are good with sparky things.  SL electrics exist in a parallel universe.  It's verging on Terry Pratchetts Multiverse.

The radio, sat nav phone thingy.  
The SL came with the standard Comand 2 unit of a 2004 car, albeit with a Bose speaker upgrade so the sound quality is good.  The sat nav is disc based but the disc is 2003/4 vintage Merc unit and an upto date disc is £150.  Cheap ones (£25.00) are available of a well known auction site but the MB owners club web site is full of threads about problems with these.  The standard setup will not accept addresses by postcode.
No reversing camera upgrade is available without fitting a TV upgrade unit which is a gray area as it's illegal to fit one without having it wired so that the handbrake must be on before it will work, but you can't reverse with the handbrake on.  They are hard to get hold off and cost a typical MB price.
The hands free system is based around a Nockia phone that hasn't been made since 2003 but an adaptor is available from Viseeo for about £100..
The Star computer at WDM had showed a canbus error on the steering wheel phone control.

It had to go and a replacement was required.

Two local audio experts showed me the door when I asked for a radio for an SL so it's fame precedes it.
Just before Xmas it visited Bass Junkies it Wolverhampton and spoke to Smudge about my requirement.
Went for the Pioneer F950 DAB,  expensive but it was to the spec I wanted and he seemed to know what he was on about.  This pioneer unit is pretty much top of the range and is big brother to the unit I had in the 430.
It went in just before Xmas for a day and a half.  I went to collect it and the central console panel was sitting on the passengers seat, and I don't think they had had a customer who was so pleased that his car was returned in bits.
Why was it still in bits.
As I am rapidly getting used to, bits for the SL don't fit the SL.  The centre console won't fit back if you have the Pioneer trim panel designed to fit the SL (just needed trimming a bit, well a lot really) and the wiring to link the steering wheel volume control to the radio didn't fit.  A new one would have to be ordered.
On the plus side the radio is brilliant, the hands free Bluetooth is 100% but of course only worked on the head unit due to the can bus error.  The reversing camera is working and even the wife likes it.

The steering wheel wiring arrived with Bass Junkies at the end of Jan.  Guess what, it fitted but didn't work (this is direct from Pioneer not a third party). Bass Junkies ( I wish I could think of an abbreviation of the name) set about getting Pioneer bits talk to SL bits.  They reprogrammed the can bus.  Net result, the volume control now works and better than that the hands free on the wheel works as well.
The Pioneer unit lets you change the splash screen so it will get the the avatar I have photoshopped for this forum.

It has been the law since the start of the year that all new cars must have a tyre pressure monitoring system.  The new Furrari didn't have one as it's only been available since 2005 on the SL but this can be added to this Pioneer unit but I won't do that until the new Furrari had its new wheels.

Expensive? Yes.  But it all works now.

Photo, as soon as the monsoon season is over.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rsoles on February 02, 2014, 07:06:10 PM
Well done Furrari, can't wait to see it..... pictures as soon as poss please..... :P :P :P
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 03, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
That's a lot of useful information Furrari.
It answers some of the questions I had about the SL500, as I am thinking about getting one too.

I have lots of other questions and concerns too, I would like to take to you about. Are you local to Birmingham by any chance, I am in Walsall on Junction 7, M6 ?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 03, 2014, 09:27:34 AM
Kal
Better than B'ham, I'm in Burntwood near Lichfield so it's straight up the Queslet and the Chester Road.
Give us a phone on 01543 683433 and I'll have the kettle on.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 03, 2014, 09:59:08 AM
Fantastic, I'll give you a call and arrange, I'll bring my 360 down too. Looking forward to it. ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 11, 2014, 10:14:22 AM
Watching a Top Gear on the iPad last night.  Item on bargin big sports cars.  One was the SL55.  Only real problems they said to watch for was the suspension and the boot leaking problem so that ones already fixed.

Knowing what I know now I would make it a condition of buying an SL was to have a Star computer report.  It's £40 to £60 worth of analysis.

I've had no problems with mine other than the air con rad.  If you drive with the roof down except when it's raining (not that it ever does in the Midlands) who needs air con.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tricky on February 12, 2014, 10:40:41 PM
The new revised California from ferrari looks nice, DNA adapt your kit to look like that,
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2014, 09:44:23 AM
It's taken long enough to get this far.  And I don't think the Italian company would be happy.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2014, 04:19:11 PM
Whoo hoo.
The SL goes in on Monday to become the New Furrari. ( no official new name yet)
Trimmer is coming with me to take the dash out.

Pics will be posted if any are available.

Promised to be ready for Stoneleigh.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on February 13, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
Can't wait to see this take shape furrari if your last build is anything to go buy she will be a beauty  ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on February 13, 2014, 06:46:41 PM
Looking forward to seeing this as I know it will be fantastic. :)
Exciting times all over again Furrari. :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2014, 07:26:07 PM
Rudy.
More exciting than even the 430 as I will have more input as I now know what I want.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rsoles on February 13, 2014, 09:19:29 PM
Whoo hoo.
The SL goes in on Monday to become the New Furrari. ( no official new name yet)
Trimmer is coming with me to take the dash out.

Pics will be posted if any are available.

Promised to be ready for Stoneleigh.
Great news Furrari i'll be at Stoneleigh to see the beast in the flesh can't wait to see your pics and build diary  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 18, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Took the SL in to DNA yesterday and spent time with the trim man (Luke at Trim Tech Solutions)
The replica is still at the buck stage but the prep work can be started to save time.
Not using Alcantara but a (new) material which is very close, it still has the pile of Alcantara but is a marine grade and won't get marked by rain. ( and is £20.00 a metre less than alcantara)
Interior strip starts Monday next week. Some details of our ideas may change as the strip goes on.  No pics cos nothing has happened yet.

Some bits to be ordered which are not part of the DNA build. Pics when available.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 18, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Getting excited, cant wait for it to be finished.
Thanks for the demo in your car, it is a rocket ship, my hands are still shaking.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on February 18, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
 :) exciting times ahead for you furrari looking forward to seeing your build come together sir ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 18, 2014, 05:28:16 PM
No problem Kal.  I thought I drove a bit slower now I'm an OAP.

It's a pity I can't do more of a build but I'm afraid my miss-spent youth is catching up with me.  Some bits I can do and I will post these.

Those of you who have done a build will know there's a lot of research behind the build.  That part I can do.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on February 18, 2014, 06:22:23 PM
Following this with much interest Furrari, especially if it,s finished in Rosso ;) ;)
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 18, 2014, 08:15:45 PM
Madman
I think you need to reset your spellchecker.  Every time you type in Modena it comes out Rosso.
No it will be YELLOW with a black roof.
Given the physical size of the California and the colour I think it will have a bit of road presence.  If DNA can get the sound right it might impress a few people.  Bypass vacuum valve maybe?

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on February 18, 2014, 10:10:04 PM
Madman
I think you need to reset your spellchecker.  Every time you type in Modena it comes out Rosso.
No it will be YELLOW with a black roof.
Given the physical size of the California and the colour I think it will have a bit of road presence.  If DNA can get the sound right it might impress a few people.  Bypass vacuum valve maybe?

Mick
            I may be a little bias ;D your Cali. will look great in yellow, aha it seems to work now I,ve reset.
bypass v.v. a must 8)
 MADMAN ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2014, 01:14:12 PM
Went down today.  The SL is in little bits all over the shop.

Interior strip starts Monday.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on February 20, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
Any photo updates, we are all very keen to see how it's taking shape.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
I'll ask my good lady wife to post them via her laptop.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 02, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Yes I saw it at Exeter last year.  I think all that need to be said has been said.

Pics.  I have some , just of the Superlagera SL (light weight cos it's been striped) which I am just figuring out how to get loaded via an iPad.

I'm down at DNA tomorrow so I will try to get some of the interior.

Luke at Trim Tech Solutions has a couple of other jobs before he gets gets on with the Furrari.  Plenty of time for him as he can't finish until the build is finished.

Waiting for bits from DNA and bits from Luke so I can get on with preperation.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 02, 2014, 11:13:09 PM
Furrari,

I know I'm not alone when I say this, but every time I see a post from you, we are all hoping to see some pictures. 

We all know it's going to look amazing when it's finished.  You certainly will have a fantastic car at the end of this.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 03, 2014, 08:24:34 AM
Wizard.

Some people drool when they see pictures of their intended.  I drool just thinking about it.  That's how I know I'm level headed, I drool out of both sides of my mouth.

All I've done so far is sand a couple of bits (seat base extensions) for dipping to remove the imitation leather grain so it can be replaced with imitation CF.  You'd need a better camera than mine to see the difference.

All those who have done a build themselves ( I wish I could, but my miss-spent youth denies me that) know it's the detail that gives the car it's character.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 03, 2014, 06:11:02 PM
OK just a few pics of the SL in bits.

PIC 1
Front wing removed.

PIC 2
Sill and rear bumper removed.

PIC 3
Boot mat and spare wheel removed but boot carpet still in place.

PIC 4
Door cards removed.  The three speakers in each door can just be seen.  Where most cars just have a sheet of plastic over the door the Merc has a sheet of foam.

PIC 5
Showing the size of the V8 lump.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 03, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Do you need to change any of the structure, or does it remain intact?

Also do you know how similar it will be to a real one in terms of measurements?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: TheWhitCar on March 03, 2014, 06:56:41 PM
Looking forward to seeing this come together!!  :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on March 03, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
Very nice furrari nice start :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 03, 2014, 07:24:48 PM
Wizard
I don't think there are many structural changes other than cutting away the rear wheel arches to allow for the 1" increase in track (1" per side).  At the front this is taken care of by the new wings.
Dimensionally I think it's very close, it certainly looks it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 03, 2014, 07:36:29 PM
A mixed day.

On the down side we can't turn the ignition key so we can't open the roof.  We put all the electrical bits back, - nothing.  Hope to have a man from the local Merc specialists (WDM) look at it.

On the up side the headlight mountings are due in tomorrow so I should have them by the end of the week.  As soon as Luke (Trim Tech Solutions) takes the other bits to go for chroming apart I can get them done.

I have even found a company within a couple of miles of DNA who chrome plastics.  I'll contact them tomorrow.  There will be pics of these.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 03, 2014, 07:56:12 PM
Sounds go go go.

Really happy this is going well for you.

Looks forward to plenty of updates, this is going to be fantastic.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on March 03, 2014, 09:50:07 PM
Mick, likewise... looking forward to seeing the progress. I wonder whether Roland will let me have a sneak preview when iIm up there on friday?  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 03, 2014, 10:14:33 PM
Paul.
I don't know about Roland but Brian can be bribed with a bag of doughnuts.  :-)

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 03, 2014, 10:33:11 PM
Paul.
I don't know about Roland but Brian can be bribed with a bag of doughnuts.  :-)

M
No Mick, not doughnuts, take cupcakes instead they will go down better ;) ;)
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 04, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
Took John from WDM to DNA today but to no avail as the batteries ( yes there are two) were flat.  Don't know why as they were OK yesterday. ?
I'll charge them up and try again.
Luke (Trim Tech Solutions) the trim man has emailed me a picture of the connections to the switch and I think the problem is an interlock cable but we can't find it.  Luke said he will come down if needed.
It's all probably easy if you know what you are doing.

We will get there in the end.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on March 05, 2014, 10:04:41 AM
Teething problems I'm sure. But the wiring did look like it was a space ship when I saw it yesterday. Better luck today.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on March 05, 2014, 01:42:34 PM
Mick,

Im interested in the plastic chroming as I want my headlight bezels chromed, let me know if its any good.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 05, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Phill
I will post pics of chroming etc as available.  As I am waiting for other bits to go to chroming in one go, it will probably be next week now.  I hope to pick up the headlight bits tomorrow and take it to the chromers to see if they can do.  There won't be any pictures but we will know if it's doable.

Kal. It looks as though both batteries have failed.( strange that both failed at the same time, not just flat but buggered). The front battery is Merc dealer only.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on March 05, 2014, 02:50:07 PM
My daughters Ford Focus has just "sucked" all the juice out of a brand new battery fitted by the AA man whilst he was there in about 10 mins!!.....In the end, it was a faulty alternator that was showing nearly 94 degrees heat 5 mins after the new battery was connected without the engine even being started (thanks AA man...saved me just replacing the battery and then it not being the cure!)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on March 05, 2014, 05:13:37 PM
Furrari
Do these caroming people have a website for us to look at?
What are they called?
Could be very interesting for other members.
Thanks
Rudy
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 05, 2014, 05:38:31 PM
Rudy
I will post all the details when I've had a look at then, not much point if they're rubbish.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on March 05, 2014, 05:45:56 PM
Ok, thanks mate.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 06, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
Picked up a new main battery.
Connected the ignition switch.  Fitted new battery.  Turned key.  At last the ignition is on. 
Couldn't start the car.  Yesterday I had phoned Merc to arrange a starter battery.  Oh yes we have one on the shelf.  Can you reserve it for me.  No problem.  Went for if today.  Oh no we don't stock those here.  Got one at Merc in Tamworth.

Can't go tomorrow as I'm busy.  Will go down on Monday.

Still waiting for the headlights but I have other parts to prepare before chroming so no time lost.

Brought centre consul home to strip for dipping and chroming, but I'll show that in another post with pics.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 06, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
Centre consul
The centre consul houses the heating controls, the ashtray, gear lever and selector switches and roof/roll bar controls.  Each of these groups are part of four modules that are screwed to the back of the consul with anti- tamper star screws.  These screws and the modules are easily removed and the modules warped in cling film to keep the FG out when they go back to DNA on Monday.
The silver metal part of the gear leaver surround is held on by 4 spire, anti rattle washers which can be carefully pried off for reuse.

Pic 1
Centre consul unit

Pic2
Centre consul unit with modules removed

Pic 3
The gear lever and switch surround.  This bit is to be polished and taken for chroming at the same time as the headlights



Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 09, 2014, 05:59:50 PM
Just a couple more pics of the inside of the car.  Merc wiring is not to a wiring diagram, it's to a knitting pattern.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on March 09, 2014, 06:17:08 PM
 :o looks like a big job but I know she's going to be great your f430 was a beauty
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 09, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
I thought Mercs were German, looking at all that spaghetti in there, maybe it,s Italian ;) ;)
looks like an interesting build Mick
MADMAN ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 10, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
It's all a load of Bologna's to me.

I remember when a printed circuit was a photocopy of Malory Park.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on March 10, 2014, 10:13:09 AM
 ;D I like it furrari very good  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 10, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
Trials and tribulations.
Took down the switch panels for the windows and the roof.  Plugged in the window module and the plug that joins the seat adjustment plug.  Windows now work.
The roof is a different story.  Bypassed the limit switch that checks the load cover is in place.  The dash now shows the roof in operation but no movement.  One possibility is that the roof light and rear view mirror are not plugged in.  If it's that I will explain why later.  If it's not that then I won't.

On the chrome plating side I went to QPP in Shady Lane on the way back.  They can do the headlights but not the air vent rings cos they can't get hold then, nor can they do the gear lever surround, they don't do metals.  Minimum order charge is £250. so they're out.  I'm pursuing a couple of other lines and I'll post the results

I forgot to say we've got the engine to start.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 10, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
Progress.
See previouse post for difficulty getting plastics chrome plated.  Spoke to Chromespray.co.uk in Basildon, they can do the chroming on the headlights, face vent rings, door handles and gear lever surround.

I'll report later on progress and quality.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 01:29:33 PM
Good day today.
Luke took the roof light and rear view mirror down to DNA.  Plugged them in and now everything works.  There are no less than 19 limit switches to interlock the roof and the SL uses the mirror and roof light as distribution and collection points, linking the front limit switches and clamp signal into the cars system.  The central locking and keyless-go also runs through this point.

Roland also had the part of the headlights that are going for chroming.
I'll show pics of these when they come back.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 11, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
19 limit switches.  Nice and simple then, lol

The car is certainly proving to be a challenge with the wiring setup etc, but this will make it a big permanent smile when all your hard work pays off and you have a unique DNA.

Keep up the good work and updates.....we all look forward to it.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 03:43:24 PM
Wizard

I hope it won't be the only one of its breed, just the first ( and hopefully the best)

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Brian (DNA Automotive) on March 11, 2014, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: Furraribasicaresistors3880.msg2973so7#msg29737 date=1394552604
Wizard

I hope it won't be the only one of its breed, just the first ( and hopefully the best)



Yes mick it's going to be truly stunning ......but I would like to point out no one needs to go to this extreme to build our new model. The mercedes comes with sumptuous leather as standard , you really only need to silver or carbon over the wood effect parts, so none of
these stressful complications really will apply . All electrical components in the kit  ( lights etc ) will have dedicated pre wired short looms with resistors/connectors so basically plug & play !!







Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 06:19:02 PM
As Brian points out most of the problems I have had were due to lack of knowledge.  If we had known at the start what we know now it would all have been very simple.

With regards to the trim I'm doing it like this 'cos I can but as Brian said the SL is a very comfortable cruiser already so don't be put off by my problems, they are of my own making.  At the end of the day these minor difficulties will be forgotten as this state of the art GT butterfly emerges from it's cocoon of fiberglass dust.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 11, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
I appreciate it's very early stages, but an indication as to when this will be ready??
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 07:38:27 PM
Sorry, I can't answer that.  It will be finished when it is.  I've got Luke involved so he can fit my build in around his other work and gives me plenty of time to get other work done without putting time pressure on anybody else.

All I can say DNA want it finished ASAP but above all want it right and to the highest possible standard; which it will be, just like all their work.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 11, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
I've been on the kit car scene for quite a whole one and agree with you 100% about the high quality finish of their products.

Just a shame you cant attach a tow hook for your caravan on the back of this as originally planned. Certainly would have got a few looks aswell as being a YouTube hit. Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 08:43:41 PM
Yes Wizard it would.  This is one of the problems of living in the past.  In the old days we would measure it up.  Sort of.  Go down the scrap yard.  Get some steel.  Bolt it together and when it was right weld it together.  Not any more.

Just remember if it's not illegal it's compulsory.

Knowing now what I (don't) know about Merc electrics wiring up a trailer is a job that nightmares are made of.

Knowing what I do know now I recon I could have saved about 4 trips to DNA and a lot of headaches.
If you know the answers before you have to ask the questions ( the purpose of this forum) it would have been very simple and we would have thought no more about it.

I hope nobody is put off by my difficulties because this is going to be a magnificent car.  ( I don't just mean mine).  The difficulties are opportunities to show just how good DNA are.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2014, 10:50:19 PM
There seems to one or two people on the forum who think that the California is my project and that I have commissioned DNA to build me a new model.
This is not the case. I am buying a California off DNA just like anybody else can do, it's just that mine is the first one.  So will everybody else form an orderly queue behind me please.

M. :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on March 12, 2014, 01:19:56 PM
Do dna have a name for the California model yet?

Califordna maybe?

Beany  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 12, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
My Lord
No official name yet but there are a few alternatives floating around, but these come under Wizard's DNA secrets act (section 2)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on March 12, 2014, 07:34:55 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 14, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
That's the boot carpet and load area cover taken for dyeing, ( Mars Midland in Bloxwich) due to work load this will be about three weeks.  I've told them no time pressure.

The bits for chroming have also gone.  This shouldn't take so long.  I know a lot of members are interested in this finish.  Details and pictures when the bits are back.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on March 15, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
Spotted a low looking yellow car in the distance this morning. As it got closer I could tell what it was. A Giallo Modena California ;  shame I wasn't in the spider, he'd have flashed for sure. 8)

I'm assuming he was headed to the garage just up the road from me where they have a regular stock of supercars. I'll have to see if it's there next time I'm passing and see if they'll let me get some photos for you.

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 15, 2014, 04:29:37 PM
I hope it looked good.  I'm not in a position to see what others have done.
To quote Martin Luther King, "I have a dream"
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Darren on March 15, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
With regard to chrome painting, I get all my powder coating done by Vulcans in Basildon, they have a dedicated chrome painting department. They are regularly commissioned for chrome painting, the advantage is that extra work is undertaken under the commissioned work, this saves costs for the cash paying customer  ;)

I've seen their work and have to admit I couldn't tell the difference between a chrome plated headlight reflector and a chrome painted one, the various tints that they produce are interesting to say the least.
D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 15, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
This could be the same people as I've sent my bits to a company is Basildon.  I hope they're as good as you say.  Let every body see the pictures when the bits are back.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on March 15, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
I hope it looked good.  I'm not in a position to see what others have done.
To quote Martin Luther King, "I have a dream"

Of course it looked good, how could it not in Giallo Modena. Lol.

It's amazing how you can tell it is something special from so far away, that became apparent when driving to Newark last year with Costa and Paul. They both looked great following behind, but Pauls yellow 360 just looked amazing in my rear view mirror. It makes you think, "wow, that's what people see as I drive up behind them".

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 15, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
I know what you mean.  At Exeter I followed Tenpin to the hotel.  The expression on peoples faces seeing a Furrari is fantastic.  To see the expression when they see two is amazing.  

So I sitting in the caravan at Donington looking at a Lambo.  Thinking " you've got to be an extrovert to drive one of those.  Hang on a sec, this is a man who drives a bright YELLOW Furrari."  You sometimes forget the awe that Furraris inspire.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 17, 2014, 08:24:06 PM
Lucky escape today.  I am/was going to do some interior bits in satin black as I thought doing all the hard plastic in CF a bit OTT.  Got some satin black spray from Halfrauds which it advertises as suitable for use with plastics.  I sprayed a very small amount onto the back of the panel and it went tacky and wouldn't dry.  I looked the spray contents up on the online data sheet.  It's 60% solvent! the sort that devolves ABS.  So that can go back.  Anybody any ideas on non solvent based satin black spray aerosol ?

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on March 17, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
I use waterbased black base (non metallic) and BMW satin laquer

I use a plastic adhesive promoter first then the base then the laquer

The good thing about waterbased paints they go over anything with no reaction

The only problem is waterbased paints require special guns and drying equipment

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 17, 2014, 10:34:55 PM
I use waterbased black base (non metallic) and BMW satin laquer

I use a plastic adhesive promoter first then the base then the laquer

The good thing about waterbased paints they go over anything with no reaction

The only problem is waterbased paints require special guns and drying equipment



Waterbased paint  :o Glad you did,nt paint my 45ft artic, it would have washed off first time it rained  ;) ;)
MADMAN  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 18, 2014, 09:47:09 AM
Beemaman.  I may avail myself of your services.  I doing a bit of work on the computer at the moment, the result of that will determine how many bits want spraying.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on March 18, 2014, 07:00:30 PM
Madman

If I did that 45ft trailer I'd need about 200 ltrs of basecoat and 10ltrs of de-ironised water and I reckon about £1000 in cash so if I was you I'd get down halfords and get some aerosols and masking tape lol :)

Furrari

No probs mate let me know what you want doing and drop them down :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 18, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Beemaman.  Thanks I'll do that.  Due to my superb Critical Path Analysis I'm not under time pressure (yet)

Madman.  If you're using spray cans just make sure nothing is plastic.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 19, 2014, 12:01:06 AM
 ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 19, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
Luke is starting the seats today, so we went over for a seat fitting.  Should be the right width and very supportive and comfortable.  Wizard you can add individually tailored seats to the list of features.  :-).
Seat belts to go away for referbishment.

The perforated leather and the headlining are now in and look superb.  I took some plastic bits over with us and they definatly  need to be satin black.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on March 19, 2014, 03:16:09 PM
We all need pictures. We cant imagine all these new features with just words.

Lots of pictures please.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 19, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
Not a lot to see.  The leather and the Alcantara are just rolls of material and the seat fitting is just some bits of foam.  Hope to some computer based bits to see soon.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on March 19, 2014, 05:25:08 PM
next time ur at DNA Mick, have a peek to see how my car is doing... i am starting to really miss her....  :-[
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 19, 2014, 06:36:44 PM
Will do Paul.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 28, 2014, 01:58:48 PM
Just picked up the boot carpets from Mars Midlands (Lee) who sprayed them black.  They look great.  A bit smelly cos they've only just been done, but look great.  The carpets include the load area cover.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 31, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Paul
Don't know where your car is, it's either at the paint shop or they've sold it :-)

I visited today to pick my wheels, gone for a 5, double spoke design in black.

Having problems with the chrome spray people.  They lost the headlights.  It seems "the Boss" booked them in and stuck them on a shelf.  They've found them now and should be back next week.  ( any body know how to do a crossed finders emoticon?)

Picked up the seat belts from Luke at Trim Tech, they will go for referbishment tomorrow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 09, 2014, 04:48:00 PM
Those of you who have been following this thread will. (I hope) remember that I wanted some parts in chrome.  I sent the bits to fxChromespray in Basingstoke (also trading as Vulcan) as they could do both the plastic and metal parts.

After taking six weeks to do what they said would take about a week with me chassing them three times a week the stuff arrived back this morning.  It is rubbish.  It was supposed to be polished before spraying but the finish was worse than when it went.

I have now taken the metal parts to a hole in the wall place in B'ham.  I've seen their work and it is brilliant ( no pun intended).  Details will be available then the job is done.

I took the plastic parts to a plastic plating place in Gt Barr but he can't help because the headlight is FG and their process is not suitable.  But he gave me a contact in Tysley (B'ham) who might be able to help me and I am going to see him on Friday.  I know several on the forum are waiting to see the result I will keep you all informed.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 10, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
It last something has gone right, indeed exceeding my expectations.

Seat belts are back from Safety Belt Services.  Very red. No they are not yellow 'cos they would get dirty too quickly.  I think the very red belts on the very black seats will start the "wow" impact.

I'll get them over to Luke so he can build them into the seats if he's doing any work on them.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on April 10, 2014, 09:12:12 PM
We need to see photos, or it didn't happen. Lol.

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on April 10, 2014, 11:23:04 PM
I second that. We need pics  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2014, 05:28:54 PM
Pics, Pics all you lot ever want is pictures!!!!

Pic 1  The bits ready to go for chrome spraying.
Pics 2 and 3  Headlights back from chroming, look OK in these pictures, but close up they are rubbish.  Thinking of stripping the paint off and having them vacuum metal coated.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 07, 2014, 03:35:42 PM
Things continue to go well.  Picked up the gear surround and the door handles from ChromeFix today.  What an improvement from the crap ChromeSpray sent back.  I have no problem recommending this firm.
Did I say that I was having them black nickel plated instead of chrome.  It's the sort of finish that you can't take pictures of 'cos the colour changes depending on the background reflecting off them.

This following the official launch of the West Coast and a weekend at Stonleigh it's pretty good.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 12, 2014, 06:09:14 PM
After removing the rubbish paint off the "headlights" took them to aluminium vacuum deposited on them.  As they're polyurethane they can't be oven dried so they will have a two part UV resistant lacquer on them which will air dry, should be about a week.  Details of the company when I see the result.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 15, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
The headlights are back.  No pics cos from a distance ( more than a ft) they look the same.  What a difference.  They are stunning.  Left them with DNA for the next bit.  The company who did the vacuuming is called Dual Matallising and are in Tyseley, B'ham.

They need to be presented in a clean state ready for coating, remember the coating is only 1 micron thick.
First I cleaned the back using a brass toothbrush sized brush to remove all the crooks and nannies that may have held dust.  The front was cleaned using a proper toothbrush to remove the dust from all the corners.  Having removed all the dust the units were soaked for about an hour each in two sinks full of domestic degreaser to remove any dust, grease or silicon, followed by a wash in clean water so that they come out of the water with no trace of beading and were only handled by the lugs to prevent transfer of grease from the hands which had been scrubbed first.

Dual first plasma etch them to key the surface ( the etching is at a sub micron level).  The plating is done in a vacuum chamber by vaporising aluminium which settles out on the item.  Because the headlights are made of polyurethane they could not be baked with the usual lacquer on so they had a two part, UV resistant, lacquer on.  How do they look?  Absolutely amazing!

You can tell from the dates of my posts the turn round was only 3 days. 

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on May 15, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
fantastic...look forward to seeing those!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 13, 2014, 05:04:20 PM
Oh bugger.
It had been my intention to reface the rev counter yellow to look a bit more Ferrarish and a lot of searching I thought I had found a company who thought they could do it if the bit you see was thin and could be moulded.  Unfortunately the bit you see is thick(ish) so that's out.  Made worse by the Merc over engineering just about everything (well it was £80.000 ten years ago).  The instrument faces are fixed to the cluster body and circuit board by melt welded pegs so would be difficult to remove and just about impossible to replace.
I think I'll limit myself to just a Ferrari badge on the rev counter and a Ferrari or West Coast text on the speedo.

Oh bugger.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 23, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
I've not played with transfers since I was a lad (at least ten years ago).  Ordered some transfer paper off a well known on line store.

Attempt 1.  Printed off the text and logo I wanted.  Let them dry.  Cut them out.  Floated them in a saucer of water; and all the ink fell of the paper.

Attemp 2.  Printed off the text and logo.  Let them dry.  Gave them two coats of satin acrylic spray and let it dry.  Cut then out and floated them in a saucer of water.  The transfer slid off a treat.  Put the text on to an old switch I had prepared earlier, and it disappeared.

Time for some advise.  I spoke to a very knowledgable young lady at Crafty Computer Paper.  She said that transparent transfers don't work on a black background and that I needed white decal paper, but not to leave any white showing when I cut out the text or logo.  The background of the print must be black.

Attempt 3.  Printed off the text and logo.  Let them dry overnight.  Gave them two coats of acrylic spray and let them dry overnight.  Cut them out.  Floated them in a saucer of warm water.  Again they slid off a treat.  Positioned then and squeegeed the water out.  Not 100% as the background of the text is not quite the same colour as the speedo but not far off.

I realise this is a very small job compared to some of the brill build sites on here but it's still a learning curve and may help, or give somebody an idea.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on June 23, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
What about these Mick, surely they could do a yellow one ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCKWOOD-MERCEDES-SL65-AMG-KMH-BLACK-ST-DIAL-KIT-SPEEDO-METER-C567-/400323025582?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d351c9aae
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 23, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
Thanks cal (Kal). I had seen this before but I think a yellow outer with a black inner would look a bit odd.  I have spoken to them about this and for a one off they want £181   I can always change what I have done if I don't like it.  That's one of the things about kit cars, if you don't like things you can change them.

Picture of instrument pod now up.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on June 23, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
Looks good Mick, that's all you need on them I think  - a couple of transfers is alot cheaper than £181!! LOL..  :). any pictures of the car - have DNA got any panels on it yet?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on June 23, 2014, 03:53:59 PM
I am really getting excited about mine. I'm like a little kid!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 23, 2014, 04:46:13 PM
Cal. Both you and me mate.  Kiddies all round.  I'm first in the sand pit.
Paul.  No panels back yet so nothing to show.  The first panels back will be the doors and drivers side rear quarter to allow DNA to work out brackets and things to convert the Furrari door handle action to suit the SL and to work out how to connect up the Furrari fuel filler cap ( which is in the same place as a Ferrari) to the SL filler while still maintaining MOT requirements on filler cap retention.  The rear clip is usually one piece, this is just a section for R&D.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 23, 2014, 04:57:11 PM
Paul. I forgot to say thanks.  Although it's only a small job when it receives praise from someone I regard as one of the top builders on here it means a lot.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on June 23, 2014, 05:08:18 PM
Paul. I forgot to say thanks.  Although it's only a small job when it receives praise from someone I regard as one of the top builders on here.

Thanks very much for the compliment Mick... you're very kind....

If there is one thing i've learnt from this whole experience, it is sometimes less is more and the little touches make all the difference... just because it isn't exactly like the real thing doesn't mean it isn't just as good. Take care matey and hope to see you soon... ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 03, 2014, 09:53:11 PM
Front wings vents in to DNA today.  Picked them up.  All the items for dipping off to Wicked Coatings tomorrow.  All 35 items, I wondered why the pile for rubbing down never seemed to get any smaller.  Should be about two weeks.   No pics cos it's just a pile of grey plastic.  Oh alright then just one of the vents.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on July 04, 2014, 12:34:22 AM
Front wings vents in to DNA today.  Picked them up.  All the items for dipping off to Wicked Coatings tomorrow.  All 35 items, I wondered why the pile for rubbing down never seemed to get any smaller.  Should be about two weeks.   No pics cos it's just a pile of grey plastic.  Oh alright then just one of the vents.
mention my name Mick, telDarren or Ash I sent you,
I will be there again fri or sat Steve
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 04, 2014, 08:47:27 AM
Steve.  I'm dealing with Lyle who was the chap I spoke to at Exeter.   They seem easy to deal with, I hope they are as good as they seem and it's as good as the sample I saw.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 04, 2014, 08:56:53 AM
Steve.  You go there, from the desolate north.  That's a two day camel ride!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on July 04, 2014, 09:55:17 AM
Are these guys near us Steve?

I may be interested in getting my headlight chromed (if they can mask off part of the plastic)..can you ask them?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 04, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
Phill.  These people do dipping and I don't think they do a chrome dip.  My headlights were chromed by Dual in Tysley ( see my earlier post)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on July 04, 2014, 03:04:14 PM
Front wings vents in to DNA today.  Picked them up.  All the items for dipping off to Wicked Coatings tomorrow.  All 35 items, I wondered why the pile for rubbing down never seemed to get any smaller.  Should be about two weeks.   No pics cos it's just a pile of grey plastic.  Oh alright then just one of the vents.
mention my name Mick, telDarren or Ash I sent you,
I will be there again fri or sat Steve
             Sorry Mick it must be old age, it,s Liquid Witchcraft I ,m going to ::)
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on July 04, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
Are these guys near us Steve?

I may be interested in getting my headlight chromed (if they can mask off part of the plastic)..can you ask them?
Phil I got it wrong, see my other post, I,m having some carbon dip done at Liquid Witchcraft Thurnscoe. They are about to start doing chrome so unknown quality
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 04, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
Steve.  Don't know them.  I had my headlight sprayed.  The quality was of the " it fits where it touches" type.  A right mess.  I had them chromed by vacuum deposition.  Far better quality and a lot cheaper.

I've looked at the web site, looks OK, but so did the people I went to.  I think it was just crap workmanship.

Wicked Coatings do a carbon fibre dip with a gold fleck in it.  I'm hopping it looks good against the yellow outside and the black inside.  Time will tell.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on July 04, 2014, 05:21:09 PM
Steve.  Don't know them.  I had my headlight sprayed.  The quality was of the " it fits where it touches" type.  A right mess.  I had them chromed by vacuum deposition.  Far better quality and a lot cheaper.

I've looked at the web site, looks OK, but so did the people I went to.  I think it was just crap workmanship.

Wicked Coatings do a carbon fibre dip with a gold fleck in it.  I'm hopping it looks good against the yellow outside and the black inside.  Time will tell.
I,ll send a pic of mine, thats what I,m having black n gold

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 06, 2014, 09:49:56 AM
Steve, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 06, 2014, 09:53:39 AM
A bit worried.  There's a Corsa parked near our house.  It's yellow with a black roof and rear window.  The yellow runs down each side of the roof.  Five, twin spoke black wheels.  That's the same colour scheme as the Furrari is going to be.  It looks dreadful.  I hope the Furrari looks better!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on July 06, 2014, 10:06:01 AM
 :o no comparison the furrari will be in a class of its own after all look at your last car it was on the stand nearly every show for a reason great car ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 06, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Your too kind.  I'm hoping the West Coast will set new standards both inside and out.

The seats are nearly finished and I will post pics as soon as I've worked out how.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 06, 2014, 10:24:26 PM
The seats are nearly finished.  Just need the CF seat bases and seat belt positioners (also CF) adding.  The seats just need steaming to remove any small wrinkles.  The horsey things are bigger than I specified but not a problem as they still look good.  The stitching is yellow, just doesn't look like it in the pic.  I had a seat fitting before they were trimed and now the drivers side seat fits me like a glove round my hips to hold me in place but give no restriction on thigh or middle/upper back.  Just what I asked for.  Very comfortable and suitable for a GT.  The excitement grows.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on July 06, 2014, 10:36:32 PM
 :D stunning seats mick  ;D going to be great hope she's ready for donington 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 07, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
As usual the pics don't do justice to them.  The studs in the Daytona ribs are anodised black with a dark bronze mesh in the centre.  There is no distortion where the ribs meet each other.  The centre panels are perforated leather.  The leather is Bently Baluga Black.  This is sort of black hole black, very black, no reflection back although they are not matt, they just absorb the light on them.  I've gone for red seat belts because yellow would be over the top and get dirty too quickly.  They will also stand out nicely on the back seat.  I know the SL doesn't have back seats; mine will.  :-)

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on July 07, 2014, 06:07:19 PM
wow,look the dogs danglies ;D.coming along nicely mick.freddy p.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 17, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
I have found a down side to a West Coast.  If you want technical info you have to talk to MB Tecnical help.  Have you ever tried to plat fog, it's probably easier.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on July 17, 2014, 09:12:54 PM
As usual the pics don't do justice to them.  The studs in the Daytona ribs are anodised black with a dark bronze mesh in the centre.  There is no distortion where the ribs meet each other.  The centre panels are perforated leather.  The leather is Bently Baluga Black.  This is sort of black hole black, very black, no reflection back although they are not matt, they just absorb the light on them.  I've gone for red seat belts because yellow would be over the top and get dirty too quickly.  They will also stand out nicely on the back seat.  I know the SL doesn't have back seats; mine will.  :-)

M

Mick, tell me more about the back seats. will they be functional? i.e. could my 2 little rat bags sit in there safely with seat belts?
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tenpin on July 17, 2014, 10:52:09 PM
My understanding about the rear 'seats' in the SL is that they are purely a bench for luggage. True, there are belts, but they run vertically, so they are luggage restraints and not seat belts.
This is not a major discriminator between the West Coast and the California, because according to the California configurator you can choose what type of rear 'seat' you want - either two passenger seats (making the car a 2+2) or a luggage bench.

 - tenpin
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 18, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Stuart / Paul.

Both of you are correct.  The original form of the SL only has a luggage shelf with vertical belts which are "luggage retainers".  These retract and are visible with a chrome finish.

As Stuart said it is optional on the California weather you specify a luggage area ( to carry skis etc) or seats as a 2+2 with diagonal belts.

The Furrari will have the luggage shelf of the SL ( can't change that) but the vertical luggage belt surrounds have been blacked and are now bearly visible but still function as designed.  If you look at the pictures of the front seats you will see they have red seat belts.  The rear luggage area will have red belts in the position of retracted diagonal belts and the female part of the buckle will emerge from the lockers in the base of the shelf but can be stored in the locker to avoid damage if the shelf is required for heavy luggage.
Having the red belts against the black trim will follow through from the front to rear seats and stand out more than the blacked out original vertical load belts.  Hopefully this will give the appearance of a 2+2 which is what most expect  California to be.

Sorry Paul, it will hopefully look like a 2+2 but it will still only be a two seater.

Simples.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 25, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
The carbon fibre dip stuff is back.  It looks a bit less carbon fibre than I expected.  What it does look is FABULOUS.

Bits of dash, seats and doors to go over to Luke the trimmer and the vents over to DNA next week.

No pics cos management is away for a couple of days at a cat show and she's got the good camera. (It might be difficult to show the texture)

Time to start building it up again.  I labeled all the bits, I hope I can remember how it all goes.

If there is shortage of bubble wrap in the south of England, it's cos it's all been sent to me.  I've lost the cat twice.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on July 25, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
 Looking forward to the pics mick glad you've found the cat lol ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 31, 2014, 08:13:54 PM
Work has finally started on the Ferrari.  News is it won't be at Donnington.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 31, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Stuart. (Tenpin). PM sent (I think)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on July 31, 2014, 08:23:30 PM
 :) that's great news mick she's going to be great shame she won't be at donnington  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 31, 2014, 08:55:27 PM
That's the way it rolls.  Better that way than rushed.  Probably finished on the body side but no trim.  On the bright side it won't have to be "finished" and then taken apart again to do jobs that there aren't  time to do before Donnington.
I will be there with the Hotel California 'cos Management is taking her Jewellery stand.  Get your money out and take your wifey a present home.  All Ferrari parts taken in part exchange.

I was down at DNA today.  Cal was there, he made a right mess drooling over the parts I took down.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on August 01, 2014, 01:47:12 PM
Sorry about the mess mick. Lol.

The carbon fibre wrap effect looks really good and the finish is good.

These California cars do not photograph well, but look fantastic in the flesh with real prensence
Watch you're back mick I am right behind you on the build. Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on August 01, 2014, 01:52:39 PM
Come on Mick - let's see some pictures............. ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 01, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Paul.  No pics yet cos. it look just the same as it has for the last few months.
I'm down at DNA middle of next week when there should be a lot of progress as it's due to go to paint at the end of the week.  I want to show pics of progress even more than you want to see them.

The bits I do have just don't show any change from being changed.

The wing vents, instrument panel etc have been dipped; they were black before and still are.  The arm rest was black and it still is, it's mostly just detail changes.

The only bit that so far has changed is the number plate which now carries the family coat of arms and moto and the personal moto of The Furrari.  The coat of arms is of course on carbon fibre.

When seen in the flesh I think (hope) that all the changes are apparent and impressive.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tusylla on August 01, 2014, 06:38:53 PM
Those seats look awesome! Furrari Can't wait to see how the rest of the interior comes out, hoping to get some inspiration for when Roland and company start my WEst CoAst build.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 01, 2014, 07:37:28 PM
Inspiration and support is what this club is all about.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
Visited DNA today as the Furrari is ( was) due to go to paint at the end of the week.  Not going now as it's going to have the exhaust fitted before paint.

Pics to follow.

Also took the last of the dash bits in to Beemaman to be painted satin black (the centre bit with the face vents in.  This will look like carbon around the vents but satin black in the centre around the switches.

The Furrari is starting to look like a Furrari instead of an SL that's run into a wall.

Pity the Furrari won't be at Donnington, but that's life.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on August 06, 2014, 04:16:07 PM
Well done Mick, I'm really pleased for you. It been such a long time waiting and can't wait to see it
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 04:52:27 PM
Here it is folks.  The first picture of a West Coast kit.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
The bad news on the replica side is that the Ferrari has four sensors in the front bumper, the Furrari has six and with Merc electrics being what they are you have to use all six.  :-(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Thanks Paul.  It has been a long wait.  But there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think that things will progress quickly now.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on August 06, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
 :) better to wait and have a quality product and she looks fabulous mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 06, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Mick,

Will this beast have a custom DNA exhaust, or standard SL one, any pics?

Can wait to see this in yellow with black strips. Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Wizard.  No it will have a custom exhaust but as it's the first one I have no idea what it will sound like.  Hopefully it will sharpen the deep Merc sound.


Yellow with black stripes.?  No no no.  It will be YELLOW with a black roof.
The screen pillars will be yellow, the bit above the screen will be black.  The roof is tinted black glass.  The yellow screen pillars will continue down the sides of the roof.  Rear roof pillars will be yellow and the rear screen will be tinted to a light/mid smoke.  Stripes,  yuk.

The roof lining is perforated grey.  From the rear the screen surround will be the same black marine alcantara as the dash. (Ferrari standard practice)

Only picture of the body is the one on display below.

I am so excited.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 06, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
Go on, you know you want too...! Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 06, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
No mate, that is dreadful.  It's a 458.  The 458 is a sports car, the California is a GT (Grand Tourer) and should be a little more refined.

The wheels may look OK on a Lambo, but not on a California.  Don't forget I have to keep Management happy. :-). I've got away with the upholstery and the carbon dip, I'm not pushing my luck.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Rippin6Gears on August 09, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
I don't know... Not feeling it. It's like a stock mr2 front end almost looking.  :'(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on August 09, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
Boo. I hope your not talking about the new Furrari.  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 09, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
Furrari. I've found your car......
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 09, 2014, 10:32:22 PM
Wizard, that's pretty damn close.  Unfortunately I'm using 5, twin spoke wheels, only because I can't find California style wheels to fit.  The front wing vents will be carbon fibre.  Biggest difference is the roof.  The sides of the roof, front and rear pillars will be yellow.  The bit we've got a problem with is the bit between the lights below the number plate and to each side of the number plate.  I want those in the same carbon fibre as the front vents, spoilers and interior but we don't know how to do that bit, cos you can't dip the entire rear of the car.

Apart from that you've got it.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 09, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
Carbon film/wrap the area....?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 09, 2014, 10:49:24 PM
Wizard.  Unfortunately it's not that easy.  Nothing has been.  Although DNA are doing their usual job it the detail bits I want that I am struggling with.  The carbon dip we've used on most of the interior looks fantastic, it's black carbon over a dark gold base with a gold metallic fleck in the lacquer.  Only Wicked Coatings in Pool do this and it's not available as a film.  I'll talk to then when I can send them finished pictures.  I suppose I may have to settle for a film, which won't match or just use satin black.

Thanks for the picture of "my" car.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tenpin on August 10, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
How about this? OK, wrong wheels, poor res etc., but maybe the idea?

 - tenpin
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 10, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
Very close.  It's outside DNA, but whose is it.  Can't be mine cos it was gray when I saw it 3 working days ago.
The difference in yellow on the rear pilar makes me think it's photoshopped.  Or is it the demo car, but that's only about 2 weeks ahead of mine?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on August 10, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
Furrari,
      I personally think the pillars look better black it seems to make the car look lower, but it,s personal choice.
Re. boot /number plate area, how about some thin carbonfibre sheet, Ray from Dinnington has fitted some on his 430 spider and it looks excellent, also he knows a place where you can buy offcuts cheap or cut to pattern, if interested I will get details.
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on August 10, 2014, 03:45:57 PM
Furrari
For what it's worth, I agree withMadman, black pillars will look better.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on August 10, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
Mick, I also agree with the black pillars (please don't hate us all lol) but didn't you say a while back that you saw a vauxhall corsa with the same: black roof and yellow pillars and you said you hated it?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 10, 2014, 04:13:10 PM
I agree with all of you about the roof/pillar colour, if the roof is up.  If the 430 experience is anything to go by it will spend most of its time with the roof down.

Madman.  One possible way of doing the rear panel would be a thin skin which could be dipped and stuck on; so yes I am interested.  Can you send me details please?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 11, 2014, 09:15:30 AM
I see that Vettle has bought his father a California.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on August 12, 2014, 04:04:30 PM
I agree with all of you about the roof/pillar colour, if the roof is up.  If the 430 experience is anything to go by it will spend most of its time with the roof down.

Madman.  One possible way of doing the rear panel would be a thin skin which could be dipped and stuck on; so yes I am interested.  Can you send me details please?  Thanks.
             Her you go Mick details of firm where you can get genuine carbon fibre cut to size and shape as sent from my pal,
Yorkshire water jet  north Anston trading est  Dinnington ,
don't 
know tel number   no tel. no. or post code, you will have to Google these
MADMAN   
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 12, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
Thanks mate.
Brian does not recomend me using CF because of the cost and impractability of moulding the back of the car.
Next time I'm down that way I'll discuss the possibility of using ABS which I can get 1mm thick.

Oh the problems of building a kit car.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 13, 2014, 05:15:45 PM
My baby on it's way to paint.  Picture by Tony Teabag.
With the slightly higher waist line and slightly lower roof line it looks a little more aggressive than the Italian version.
Now all I need is Knight Industries car  (KIT Car) Knight Rider scanning LED in the bonnet grill.  I'll build one tonight.   (Not)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on August 13, 2014, 06:28:01 PM
Looking good Furrari.
Looking forward to seeing it painted.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on August 13, 2014, 07:08:04 PM
Did you get rid if the panoramic roof on yours ? Looks lovley nice kit I want one
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on August 13, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
 ;D wow the proportions looks great can't wait to see her in paint  :o
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 13, 2014, 07:47:58 PM
Beemaman

You are more observant than me.  That obviously isn't my car 'cos mine has a glass roof.  I will phone in the morning.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 13, 2014, 07:52:22 PM
So who does this one belong too??

Or is this another part of the "official west side secret act". Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 13, 2014, 08:05:38 PM
Wizard.

There are currently two others being worked on (four if you count Roland's 55)

There is one ahead of mine, based on what was I believe the buck shown at Stoneleigh.
Mine. 
Another not quite as far on as mine.

I think mine is the only one to be retrimed.  ( not a DNA thing)

I know mine has gone to paint. (Or been stollen ) but I am not allowed to say how I know it's been moved.


Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Georgelooney on August 13, 2014, 08:21:12 PM
Looks great :) have they said when the kits going to be available for self builds? And how much the kits going to cost?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on August 13, 2014, 08:39:32 PM
Ile be ordering one as soon as the dn8 is done :) looks great got to be the kitcar to have.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 13, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
George.  The kit is, I think, about £13,000.  No idea on availability for self build as it's all hands to the pumps on turn key.  Give DNA a phone.

Join the West Coast Crew.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tbag on August 13, 2014, 11:43:16 PM
Sorry mick this is my dads car, I never upload pictures of other peoples builds its not my place to

Still yours is the same,  and yes yours is at paint ... so all good :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 14, 2014, 12:04:19 AM
Tbag, are you able to tell us the colour this will be?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: sha121 on August 14, 2014, 12:10:35 AM
Better get on the blower in the morning to old bill if urs has gone missing furrari. Looking for a sl 55 for myself to convert to westcoast amazing kit it is the best kit i have seen on the  market so far hats down to dna .
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tbag on August 14, 2014, 12:23:15 AM
We gonna do it white with the red interior, we having gray wheels and painting the side vents and lower boot lid gray to match...

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 14, 2014, 12:31:16 AM
Another white ferrari.  We are slowly growing in numbers. Soon we will overtake the reds. Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 14, 2014, 08:53:57 AM
What's with all this white stuff.  Not a good colour, you'll never find it in the snow, but I suppose it hides the seagull poo.  :-)

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 14, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
Stunning in white.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on August 23, 2014, 06:08:30 PM
Furrari,

We haven't had any updates for a while, hope all is ok...?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 23, 2014, 07:03:39 PM
Thanks Wizard.

Not much happening of late until this weekend.

Picked up all the Satin Black sprayed items from Beemaman (thanks Wayne) on Friday and took them over to Trim Tech today.  We offered up the door speaker grills up to the door cards.  They look fantastic.

No pics 'cos it's black on black and won't photograph well in the available light.

The body is at paint and progressing well.  I think it's now prepped and ready for paint.

Hope to see you at Donnington.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Rippin6Gears on August 23, 2014, 07:08:32 PM
I know everyone was saying white and now your saying black on black... Dang, too bad it wasn't orange. Actually pretty darn sexy!
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/WashHottestPlumber/Cars/6B77A0FB-2A4F-44AE-8F52-7309EFDE06C1_zpsgjqgcnxp.jpg)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 23, 2014, 08:04:18 PM
Rippin6Gears.

Bright metallic orange.  I don't think so.  That's a Lambo colour (color to you).  Furraris are YELLOW, although for technical reasons it will have a black roof.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 23, 2014, 08:21:29 PM
Madman.

After discussions with DNA we think we have sorted out a solution to the back panel.
Hopefully the back panel can be done as a flat sheet of ABS. We will have a mould taken of the lower boot panel and an ABS over panel made from this and bonded on.  While the car is at Trim Tech having the interior reinstalled the back panel, splitter, diffuser and a few more interior bits will go for dipping.

The future is bright.  The future is YELLOW (and a bit of black)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Rippin6Gears on August 23, 2014, 11:40:01 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble, Actually Red is Ferrari signature color, not yellow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 24, 2014, 01:11:01 AM
Hi mick glad to hear that the back of the car is getting sorted out and that the car is now in the paint shop can't wait to see it, and if you really wanted to stand out you could always have it yellow with black dots my wife use to have a bikini like that and god that did stand out not sure if that was the color of what was in it anyway take care see you next weekend J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 24, 2014, 09:02:33 AM
Rippin

The colonials wrong again.  :-)

Enzo was born in Modena.  Back in the Dark Ages before Garibaldy, when Italy was not a country but a collection of City States, the flag of Modena was yellow.  (The yellow of the 430 and California is called Modena Yellow. ). If you look at the Ferrari shield you will see that it is Modena yellow.  This yellow was adopted by Enzo as the house colour.

When the Scudari was formed ( Scudari is Italian for racing stable ) and became the Italian national racing team that they adopted the Italian racing colours;  red.

Here endeth the lesson.

I didn't say all Ferraries are yellow, I said all Furraries are yellow.  If you get involved in the red v yellow battle it'll do your head in but it's fun.

Maybe see you one day for a pint of warm beer.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on August 24, 2014, 09:34:37 AM
Furrari is right in his explanation.
To add a bit more to this, a very close friend of Enzo was a pilot who died and Enzo wanted to remember him forever. He asked his family if he could adopt part of the family crest in his business logo, to which they agreed, the prancing horse was born.
Red was the national racing colour for Italy, Silver for Germany and Green for England.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 24, 2014, 09:44:18 AM
Rudy.

Yep.  The pilots' ( who was killed in ww1 ) mother said the Cavalinos would bring Enzo luck.  I don't follow the logic 'cos the lad had just been shot down.  I recon she just fancied him; but that's where we got the prancing horse from.

That a site.  History and engineering all at once.

Colours (colors). Blue for France.  White for Japan.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 24, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
As Michael Caine would say not a lot of people know that,

thank you all for the information on the colors but I still think all Ferrari should be white see you all soon J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on August 24, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
The first Ferrari spayed White was a Dino. It was ordered to be done white by Enzo as a special dedication to his son Dino, after whom this car was named. It is in the Ferrari museum as I write this.

Furrari, you are so right. What a site.  :) simply the best.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Rippin6Gears on August 24, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Again I said "signature" color... Which is Red. Not "maybe" the first car ever built, totally different story.

This roadster is arguably the first Ferrari but it did not carry the name. But it was the first car built by Enzo in his own shop in his own company. After he was fired from Alfa in 1938, the contract prohibited him from building a car that would carry his name for four years. So with that deal and the war, the world would not see the first named Ferrari until 1947. Instead in 1939 Enzo started his own company called Auto-Avio Costruzioni, suggesting that he intended to provide parts for both the auto and aviation industries. The “815” was their first product. It was cobbled together mostly from Fiat parts from a small sedan, itself the predecessor of the original Fiat Cinquecento. They ganged two four cylinder engines together end-to-end to make a straight 8 of 1500 cc’s – so the name 815. The body was designed by the Touring coachwork company using a primitive wind tunnel. They would watch how small wool tufts moved in the wind to guide their aerodynamic design.

Only two 815s were made, custom orders for customers who wanted to race them. Both cars started the 1940 Mille Miglia, which took place just before Italy entered the war. They did well but retired with engine problems. One of the cars was eventually scrapped, but the other, which belonged to the race driver Antonio Ascari, is now in a collection.

The color is the color of black cherries, hardly red at all. Rubino Micalizzato ("ruby") may be the closest modern color. The first named Ferraris -- the 125 S -- seem to have been more red, but I have seen darker reds on them also.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 24, 2014, 10:11:44 PM
Rippin

Sorry mate, I forgot you were there.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 01, 2014, 06:19:54 PM
I was shown pics of the Furrari yesterday at the show as it is at the moment in paint.  It's very YELLOW.  I wanted to post them but the paint shop has redacted them so you lot will to wait.

The Blue One looked absolutely beautiful on the stand.  The paint wasn't exactly flip flop but had a subtle colour change according to the light.  In sun light it will be spectacular.  As when I saw the Black One, I wondered if I was having the right colour, but I had the same thoughts about the 430.  No, YELLOW is the right colour. (Better than red anyway).

The integration of Italian/Furrari styling with the mechanical and electrical features of the SL are inspirational and has produced a car that is both beautiful, stylish and very practical.  It has the best parts of each model.  A real credit to the architects.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tusylla on September 06, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Furrari, I saw this console on ebay.uk it's a original from the California, not sure if can be incorporated into the SL but have a look..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-California-console/151403214343?



Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 06, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Tusylla.

The LS interior is totally different to the California.  The centre console in particular would require a lot of work to change as it's not only a different shape but has a lot of Merc electrics in.  Messing with Merc electrics is not a good idea.

On the Furrari the dash will sweep down into the console in alcantara and CF.

The Furrari is due back from paint next week so I'm hoping to put some pics up.

Keep the ideas coming

Thanks

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on September 07, 2014, 04:44:03 PM
Oohh, pics.

Can't wait to a little more Giallo. ;D

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on September 10, 2014, 10:08:47 AM

Looking forward to the end of this project :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 17, 2014, 03:54:19 PM
Contrary to a common belief The Furrari has not been abducted by aliens.  It's back from paint at DNA.  It looks very big, very YELLOW, and very shiny.  The paint finish looks as good as after my 430 had been to a detailing studio.

If you look at my previouse posts I wasn't sure about how to do the roof.  I can say now that the decision was right to have the cantrails and screen pillars in yellow.  It looks superb.

Now to try to add a couple of pictures.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 17, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
pic 1 pic 2
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on September 17, 2014, 05:32:29 PM
Looking good  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on September 17, 2014, 08:25:59 PM
And there it is. Very nice Furrari, colour really suits it.

Look forward to seeing more.

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: sha121 on September 17, 2014, 10:08:45 PM
Looking very nice
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on September 17, 2014, 10:36:33 PM
Car looks fantastic, but stop teasing us. I know you would have taken a hundred photos form every angle possible, roof up, roof down etc.  We need more pictures....

Ps, The colour looks fantastic, very bright and loud.  It will certainly stand out.  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on September 17, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Looking cool Mick, not long now
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 17, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
Wizard.
No I only took the two but there will be more as work progresses.
I don't kneed the pictures, the reality is now following the dream.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on September 18, 2014, 10:05:38 AM
Looking nice Mick, can't wait for mines
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 18, 2014, 02:44:11 PM
Rear lights in
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 18, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
Cal
We fitted the third brake light flasher.  Works, no problems.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ET on September 18, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
I like the matching moped ;D ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 18, 2014, 04:28:29 PM
ET
Sorry mate.  That carries Lotus badging, unlike the big yellow Merc that looks like a Furrari.  :-)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on September 18, 2014, 08:40:50 PM
Wizard.
No I only took the two but there will be more as work progresses.
I don't kneed the pictures, the reality is now following the dream.

Mick

You may not, but we do. Lol

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 18, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Beany.

The problem is that I'm not there all the time just when I drop in or take bits in.

Trust me it looks good.

I shall be there Friday or Monday to drop some bits in.  ( or both. :-)   )
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on September 19, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
Looking good  8) 8)
Is the kit accurate?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 19, 2014, 03:23:19 PM
Darnoc.
Don't quote me on this 'cos it's only what I think.
No idea on the length.
The waist line I think is a fraction higher, don't forget you've got the Merc boot lid which can't be lowered because of the roof, with the new boot lid skin over it. I think the Merc roof line is a fraction lower.  The dimensional accuracy is not the most critical thing, it's how it all blends together to give a visually balanced look.  Believe me it looks good as it comes together.
A good many, even high end cars look as if the front and the back were designed by a different committee.  The West Coast looks a continuous, integrated style.  I have not yet seen any lines that do not flow to give this.  No lines jar on the eye.  Nothing is under or overstated.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on September 21, 2014, 02:06:55 AM
... and there is a HUGE Mercedes logo on the steering wheel

:)

but hell I WANT ONE!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 21, 2014, 07:43:49 AM
Seriph
I think there is a replacement badge.  This is called the interior kit.
M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tusylla on September 21, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
Did someone mention interior?   Oh How I cant wait to see Micks Furrari interior once installed..power, looks,  west coast oh boy!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 21, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
Tusylla.
I've seen the interior.  The problem is that most of it is with Luke. Some is here with me (including the boot of the SLK).  Some of it is still with DNA attached to the car and can't bring removed until after the build stage.
Some of the bits for the build aren't ready to go on the car and won't be until after trim (batches of carbon dip)
Don't worry, it's all going together well and picies as soon as possible.
Down at DNA Monday.  Hope I have something to post after that.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 22, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
Picture of the wing vent in place.  If you're lucky you will be able to make out the "weave" of the CF.  Really stands out, in a subdued sort of way.  Classy, not in your face.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: bangsters on September 22, 2014, 03:56:02 PM
looks good Furrari. Any more pics for us? :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 22, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
Bangsters
Sorry mate.  I just post what is new.  As I said to Beany, because I don't see what goes on I only see what's finished.  It's not overpowering, just enough contrast to lift the side of the car.  All the ideas and visions I had are coming together.  I think the finished job will be better than each individual idea.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 04:02:01 PM
Door/wing mirrors, in, wired and working.  In both pictures you can see the swage lines that start from the top and bottom of the wing vent and then merg over the rear quarter onto the boot.  
The lower picture shows the matching lines that start on the base of the mirror and flow over the top of it.
The door edge lights are also on and wired but not yet working because the controls for these will be fitted at the door card trim stage.
The triangular bit at the top front of the door has been added to the pile of bits to go for dipping as soon as Luke starts the trim.

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on September 23, 2014, 04:07:24 PM
i can see a major flaw buddy in those pics :(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on September 23, 2014, 04:12:53 PM
i can see a major flaw buddy in those pics :(

what's that Beems?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 04:17:32 PM
There are no flaws in the Furrari.  It's a goddess.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on September 23, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
its not RED  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 05:13:53 PM
The light in the edge of the door is.!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tusylla on September 23, 2014, 05:53:34 PM
Roof looks really good with the sides painted yellow and the tinted glass roof flowing into the back and front glass, coming along nicely Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
There are no flaws in the Furrari.  It's a goddess.
Tusylla.
Thanks mate.  Yes the black screen top and the black glass roof work well together.  The rear screen will probably have a light tint to hide the shape of the Merc back window and to complete the flow of the roof line.
Earlier in the build thread I had great concerns about the colour of the cantrails.  Black to match the glass or yellow to match the body colour.  Having seen the result I think I was right to go yellow.  See it in the flesh and you will know it's right.  Don't know if it will work in other colours but in yellow it works.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on September 23, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
Looking great mate, really looking forward to seeing this ready, even if its not red  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 07:28:28 PM
You're all picking on me.  Furraris are YELLOW, so there.
When you see The Furrari you will know why it's YELLOW.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
Anyway your all wrong.  Of all the West Coasts ever built 50% are blue and the other 50% are yellow.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on September 25, 2014, 10:36:59 AM
Haha Yellow is OK...
Lines are good!
If you have time can you send a photo of below the car?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 25, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Darnoc.

Photo of below the car?  You have got to be joking.  With my back/hip (the result of a miss spent youth ) I can't get there.  Nothing changes on the underside, that remains standard SL.  I don't think there will even be anything on the Revelations thread.
I think front and rear suspension braces are available but as the standard SL can generate .95 G lateral I don't think they will be required.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on September 25, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
I like the yellow Mick, some of us are leaders and others are followers, what more can I say. Lol.

Furrari Mk2 is looking great. Are you going with black wheels again?

Beany ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 25, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Beany
Yes black wheels.  With the black roof the wheels need to be black or it will look top heavy.  The wing vents are CF and the triangular bit at the top front of the doors will be CF.  I have the front splitter and rear diffuser ready to go for dipping as soon as I get the last of the internal bits.

I have a suspicion that The Furrari is going to look damn good.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lord Beany on September 25, 2014, 08:29:04 PM
It certainly sounds it, look forward to seeing it.

Beany  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on September 25, 2014, 08:31:53 PM
Mick,

Joking aside about the colours etc. Your car will look absolutely fantastic. It certainly will draw attention where ever it's goes.

It there going to be an aero kit for the Cali?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: DNA AUTOMOTIVE on September 25, 2014, 09:57:21 PM
Yes their will be an aero kit for the West coast
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 26, 2014, 08:58:17 AM
More for carbon dipping.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 27, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
The SL has dip beam lights and main beam lights.  When you switch to main beam the dip beams must (by law) stay lit.  The lighting is brilliant ( notice the pun there).  The California and the West Coast both only have the one bulb in each headlight which serves as dip and main.  When you are on dip a shutter cuts of part of the beam and this lifts when you go to main beam.
It is a limitation of one bulb and one reflector that you can't get perfect dip and main beams.  As the lights are set to give a kick up on the left hand side (right in the colonies) as the most important part to see pedestrians the light available down the centre of the road is limited and I like a lot of light.
So fit more light I hear you say.  Right.
You can't realy stick spot lamps on the front of a Furrari can you.  You can if you fit them behind the grill.
You can't call them main beams because (by law) main beams have to be the same height as the dip beams.  It's a gray area with spot lights that shine down the middle of the road as they can dazzle other drivers.  One interpretation is that they must extinguish with main beam and another is that they must have a switch and tell tale light.
I'll be using both systems.  Switched (with tell tale) and only lit when main beam is lit.

More on the lights when I finish the build and take some picies.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: bangsters on September 27, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
I'm sure your car will turn out spectacular Furrari!!  Looking forward to seeing more of it and when it gets completed!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 29, 2014, 09:07:47 AM
More on the lights.  ( I know it's not the same skill shown by those building a whole car but the rest of the car is being done for me.)

Experience shows that it's best not to mess with Merc electricals so the switching will be controlled by a picaxe PC driving a Darlington pair output.  This gives 500ma at 12 volt to work a relay to switch the lights and the washers on and off.

The lights I am using are LED and if configured as a main beam will (by law) require washers (see my previous post on light requirements.) and you won't be able to get at the lights to clean them behind the grill.

Pics of the lights and modifications later in the day.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 29, 2014, 03:18:15 PM
Those of you who saw the blue West Coast at Stoneleigh will have seen the way the exhaust tips follow the Ferrari pattern of sticking way out past the body line and of equal length.  I didn't like this so DNA have set the tips a little further forwards for me and stagered them.  I think it looks neater.  If it causes a bit of sooting around the outlet then I'll have to clean it a bit more often.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on September 29, 2014, 05:22:44 PM
Looking really special mate. Well done and keep the pics coming. :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Rippin6Gears on September 29, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
I did notice that on the blue one... Yours look like it should come that way staggered and flush with the body line. Looks great.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
Pictures of the lights on hold.

The Furrari is at the trimmers.  Photos tomorrow.

I'd better get on with the trim badges needs to do the interior.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on September 30, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
You are just teasing us now  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2014, 02:53:51 PM
Rudy
You know you enjoy it.
Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on September 30, 2014, 04:23:33 PM
Oh yes  ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2014, 07:21:43 PM
Just another teaser.  The badges that will be fitted to The Furrari

One each of the aluminium ones on each carpet.  The remaining aluminium one and the Pininfarina one on the load area cover.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Details and pictures of the driving lights to go on The Furrari.
The West Coast front is about the same length as the SL so the gap between the bumper bar and the back of the grill is only about 60mm.  First I cannibalised the spot lights off my GTM but with the HID bulb fitted the water proof cover won't go back on.  I found a couple of LED spot lights on eBay that were too deep but a large part of the housing is cooling fins for the industrial, flood light version.

Pic 1)  The lights as they arrived.
pic 2)  Cover the plastic lens before starting work.  The mounting holes (M5) aren't deep enough so using a 4.2mm drill drill these deeper. (limit the depth you can drill with a bit of tape round the drill. (pic 3)
Pic 4)  Put masking tape over the area you want to remove and mark where you are going to cut.  Don't forget to allow 10mm for the screws to go into.  Cut off the bit you don't need.  Drill the holes deeper if you need to and tap them (you will need a No.3 tap to make the thread deep enough.
Pic 5)  The lights with the backs cut off.
Pic 6)  Make yourself a couple of brackets to take the washer jets.  I've used Focus heated washer jets.  Araldite the brackets in place and spray them black.
Pic 7)  The finished item.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on October 01, 2014, 08:58:38 AM
Very nice Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on October 01, 2014, 08:45:20 PM
Lovely job mick love your colour scheme the badges are a lovely touch
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on October 02, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
Nice and good job!
Clean details
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 02, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
Just some pictures of The Furrari over at the trimmers.  No spliter or diffuser as they are off for dipping.  Wheels not yet fitted.  Last picture is the headlight which I had chromed at Dual.

More pics as things put together.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on October 02, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
Wow. That is a very loud car. I hope your not shy from gettin lots of attention.

It looks stunning.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 02, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
Wizard

Yes it is loud.  That's why yellow is spelt YELLOW. :-)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on October 04, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
Colour is Yellow?  8) ???
Looking ggod, is the front light E marked and Xenon?
Needs wheels and lowering...but i guess you know
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 04, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
Yes the headlights are HID and e marked.  Fitted with washers and the car is self levelling, so it's all legal.

Wheels on later.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 06, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
Pictures and progress from Saturday/Sunday

Pic 1)   Boot cleaned and with sound deadening installed.  Don't know if its needed but if there is a louder exhaust fitted under the boot it wont hurt. Started to put the wiring in for the boot electronics.  (secret what this lot does but it wont be joined to the cat until after the Brands Hatch do.  Ill probably put a bit if carpet down inside the boot to protect the spare wheel.

Sound deadening added over centre tunnel and carpets installed.  Damn site more comfortable to sit on than the floor.

Pic 2)   Does anybody have a knitting paten for Merc wiring.  Luke said he knows where it all goes.  Its all plug and play so it cant go in the wrong place.

Pic 3)   The (drivers) door with the speakers removed so we can put some sound insulation behind them and give them a clean.  We have offered up the rear "seat" back.  Looks good but a few jobs to do before it goes in.

Don't they look a lot better as the trim starts to go in.



More pics as things progress.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: bangsters on October 06, 2014, 03:28:52 PM
getting there @Furrari!!! Nice to see fresh pics :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 06, 2014, 06:23:22 PM
Some more pictures.

A couple of the back seat and the corner of the seat and one of the centre console and centre console extension.  The centre console and the extension are black Alcantara with contrasting yellow stiching.
The rear "seat belts" have been abandoned for now as I'm not sure that the back of the rear seat is high enough because the last few inches of the "seat" are the speaker grill and parkatronic indicator.  The interior is also starting to smell of leather.  

Looking at the pictures the leather looks a lot more reflective than it does in the flesh.  In the flesh its all a very intense black.

more soon.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: darnoc on October 06, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 06, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
I think the light is messed up by the light of the setting sun.  Sorry it's not the sun it's the YELLOW of the paint reflecting back off surrounding buildings.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tusylla on October 07, 2014, 02:50:50 PM
I think I found yours Mick...
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 07, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Tusylla.
Close mate but no coconut.
Wing vent and grill wrong colours.  Couldn't get those wheels and worst of all the roof's wrong.  My screen pillars are yellow.  Although it does look a bit like me driving it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Adonys on October 07, 2014, 05:05:21 PM
Are these the rims you're looking for?

http://www.allopneus.com/jantes/marque/rims-ferrari/cgl-545-a/

(http://img-v2.allopneus.com/api/v2/transformation/wheel/wheel_preview/638.png)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 07, 2014, 07:26:44 PM
Adonys.
What can I say but yes.  These however are 20" and I want 19" (if you have 20" it's a hard ride and it leaves a very big gap around the caliper.  Also being Ferrari they probably cost a fortune.
Thanks for looking.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Adonys on October 08, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
Hello,
you're right they don't seem to exist in 19"
yes they are geniune Ferrari at about £2000 for 4 if you do the conversion from EUROS.
this one look more like it but in 20"
(http://static.allopneus.com/lib/img.resize.jante.php?type=mid&img=666.jpg) (http://www.espace-jantes.com/jantes-pneumatiques-accessoires,jantes-details/rims_ferrari/20-pouces/849/cgl_506_a/8-5-20.php)

The only thing i found on 19" are those for the same price:
(http://static.allopneus.com/lib/img.resize.jante.php?type=mid&img=634.png) (http://www.espace-jantes.com/jantes-pneumatiques-accessoires,jantes-details/rims_ferrari/19-pouces/849/cgl_528_a/8-0-19.php)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 10:28:36 AM
Due to other work commitments Luke can only work on The Furrari at weekends and a bit in the evenings on bits not on the car.  Not helped by me frequently changing my mind as the job progresses.  Things still going well with the body of the dash in by Saturday morning.

Just one picture showing the body of the dash in place.  It does show the contrast of the yellow stitching against the black Alcantara (which never looks as black in pics as it does live).  It also shows the CF of the face vent surrounds against the Alcantara and the chrome rings, just a hint of bling against the black.  Last bit of note is the satin black of the clock/parkatronic unit in the centre of the dash.  That was done in satin black to tone down the OTTness (is that a proper word) of the interior and to reduce the risk of reflection off the screen.

I still need a "California " badge.  Anybody got one ?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 04:55:04 PM
I've spent an interesting couple of hours standing on my head in the boot glueing trim around all the raw edges left from cutting bits off to get the body to fit (access to the rear lights).  You won't see this when the boot trim is replaced but it might save somebody shredded hands at a later date.  I'm now covered in this black, baby poo like substance. (Including in my beard, I'll get the chickens to sort that).
No pictures cos it's black bits of rubber, covered in black glue, on a black background.
Pics of the progress on the dash a bit later.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on October 12, 2014, 06:23:54 PM
 :) wow mick I have to say that interior is to die for she's going to look even better than your last furrari and that's no easy feat  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 08:43:04 PM
Picture of the instrument binnacle.  I had to take it through the screen so its not too clear.  Don't know if its staying like this until I drive the car and see if there is any reflection on the screen.

I took a nice pic of the switches and face vents but something is wrong with it so i'll have to get a better one during the week.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on October 12, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
Looks great Mick. When do the wheels go on?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
Paul
Wheels go on when it goes back to DNA for finishing, (splitter, diffuser, exhaust, locking system, that sort of thing)
I will be putting a post about the wheels on SL Revelations tomorrow.
Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on October 12, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Ah so I see. So the car is back at home now. Will it all be done for brands hatch?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 09:08:06 PM
Paul
No, The Furrari is in Hednesford in Luke's back garden under a gazebo because it's too wide to fit in his garage.  It's only 15 mins from home across the Chase and it gives me the chance to go and dribble over it and do a bit of work on it.
Will it be ready for Brands? Don't know, that is my plan.  Luke will have a long weekend on it next week but I can't do anything cos Jill and I are running a cat show.
I'll speak to DNA in the morning to see how much time they need to finish it.
Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on October 12, 2014, 09:13:55 PM
Mick,

Last show of the year, would be fantastic it would be at the show (forget the interior, you only need a seat and steering wheel).  Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
I know, I know.
It's not that easy with a Mercedes.  If it was a simple car I would but if all the electronicals aren't connected the CANBUS system throws a major wobbly, throws it's toys out of the pram and won't play.
Also needs an MOT and probably a Star computer run to get all the dead spiders out.
Here's hoping.
Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 20, 2014, 11:01:21 PM
Trim work progresses.
I had to go to our local "Black Hole of Knowlage" today ( local Merc dealer) to get some trim clips to replace some tired ones today.  Even with drawings they hadn't a clue what I was on about.  Perhaps I should use the communication method used in "Project India". ( Shouting and swearing).
In the end they said come back with the car when it's back together.
Boy, are they in for a surprise.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 21, 2014, 08:42:05 PM
Load Cover

I had the carpets for the boot dyed black some time ago.  these have now been refitted.  The load cover probably wont be fitted until after the Brands Hatch do, just dropped in place to allow the roof to open.  I've fitted Pininfarina and limited edition Ferrari badges to the lip of the cover and something else, which is why it wont be fully fitted until after BH.

First mask out where you want the badge(s) and then dremel the flock off in that area. The badges come with self adhesive backing but I find this dries out and the badges fall off so I stuck them on with the traditional black baby poo.  the masking stops any excess going on the panel.  A hole was then drilled for the extra bit (can anybody guess what it is?  answers later) just to the right of the Ferrari badge.

The limited contrast on the camera mean that the carpet doesn't look as black as it is.  Its very black.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 21, 2014, 08:53:30 PM
Seats and door cards now finished.  Seats to go in next weekend but the door cards won't go in until after DNA have sorted the central locking.

We have fitted sound proofing to the bonnet and the left over is to go on the old Merc door skins behind the speakers to give even better sound than the standard Merc Bose upgrade set up.  (its good to be able to say the standard speakers are Bose, three in each door).  The silver/white looking bits are black, that's just the light reflecting off them in Lukes work shop.  Its ashame but the CF on the seat bases doesn't show up well in the pics, but trust me it looks great.  Next time i'm over at Luke's (next weekend) I'll take a picture of just the CF finish as a close up, just to show the effect.  The door edging can be seen at the top of the picture (also in CF) but can't go on until the door cards or on.

Lukes work is fantastic with no wrinkles anywhere.  All drum tight.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: bangsters on October 22, 2014, 04:49:10 AM
looking good!! what did you do to the door card? just new upholster or totally new doorcard?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 22, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
Bangsters
No they are the original door card bases.  Merc door cards are very complex and are moulded to give the shape.  Making your own would be difficult and in my opinion pointless.
The doors were striped back to the mouldings.  The outer section was cut and stitched in yellow.  The new centre section was originally in perforated leather to match the seat centre but this proved to be a failure as the stitching wasn't straight as the needle tended to follow the perforations and looked like a dogs hind leg.  So plain leather was used.
The switch and handle area are in black Alcantara to follow the line of the dash.
The speaker grill is in satin black. The door pocket catch and the plastic bit which is hidden when you shut the door are also black.
The final finishing bit, the "wooden" door insert is now black, gold fleck carbon fibre.  The door handle has been black nickel plated. (Sort of a black chrome finish, not a solid black)

The overall effect;  stunning.  Photos just do not do them justice.

The Furrari won't be finished but our target is Kit Car Live at Brands Hatch, Sat 15 November.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on October 22, 2014, 09:01:25 AM
Really coming on now
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 25, 2014, 03:10:16 PM
The last batch (until the aero kit) is now back from Wicked Coatings in Pool.  This consists of the splitter, the diffusor and its fins and the triangular bits for the doors.
Tried pic of the bits but they are too big to show any detail except the triangular bits,  As I promised earlier I can show the CF pattern on these.  The holes are for the keyless go locking button and the sensor for the key fob.

The interior is going back in as I type this (pics soon I hope) and hopefully back at DNA next week.

I will take the splitter to a local company to have a paint protective film put on as I think it may be prone to stone chips.  Not a fan of film as it tends to leave a black line where it finishes but this won't be visible when its fitted.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on October 25, 2014, 09:45:15 PM
Hey. Is the film you're referring to ScotchCal? It is like a clear version of the black guard protector on earlier Porsche Turbos. I used it when I did my 1993 930 build. ScotchCal is around 1mm thick and applies like contact
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 25, 2014, 10:01:06 PM
Seriph
No idea what it's called but it's often used on the rear wheel arches of sevens.  I don't think it's that thick but I'll see what's available.  I'll try this local place first cos they did a nice job on the windows of my wife's car.
M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Wizard on October 25, 2014, 10:30:57 PM
Any pic of the aero kit, would be really interesting to see what it looks like.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 25, 2014, 10:44:55 PM
Wizard
Sorry mate, no pictures of the aero kit 'cos it's not designed yet.
We've discussed the aero kit and looked at a similar idea to what I used on on the splitter of my GTM.  That was very effective for front end grip but it was aluminium and would be difficult to produce economically.  I might make my own for the front.
At the back we have looked at both lip spoilers and wings on short legs.  No decision yet, I think it might depend on visibility problems with the high back.

Watch this space.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 26, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
Can't do pictures as Luke covers every thing in plastic as soon as it's fitted.

Put the batteries back in this morning.  Started first go.  Sounds good even on the standard exhaust.

Passengers seat worked OK.  Drivers seat moved forwards but then stuck.  Oh dear.  Disconnected the batteries, waited 30 seconds, reconnected and tried again.  Perfect.

No unexpected dash lights but Comand shows a restraint error (probably air bag).  One or two other minor problems.

Ill phone DNA in the morning to arrange transport back.

God it smells good in there.  I think I'm developing a leather fetish.

Pics as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 27, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
The place I thought would be able to put a paint protection film on the splitter has closed.  So has the only other local place.  Google found me a place in Stafford (Eclipse Tinting).  Took the splitter to them.
I'll let you know the outcome.

Spoke to Roland.  The Furrari should go back to DNA on Wednesday or Thursday.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on October 28, 2014, 09:07:50 PM
getting close now 8) 8)freddy P.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 29, 2014, 07:40:45 PM
The splitter is due to be picked up Friday morning.

The Furrari was collected today.

Pic 1)  Outside Luke's ready to go.
Pic 2)  Loaded up and ready to go.

The roof is like the Duke of Yorks men.
Pic 3)  When it's up it's up.
Pic 4)  When it's down it's down
Pic 5)  And when it's half way up it's neither up nor down.  Just look at that rear window pivoting to fit in the boot.  No kit car has a roof like that.  But what do I know.

Needless to say even although the inside is wrapped in plastic Brian managed to get FG dust everywhere.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on October 29, 2014, 10:17:49 PM
Wow is there any colour the west coast dosent look great in your ideas are all coming together mick the colour really looks great
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 29, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
Although I haven't built The Furrari myself it's great to see all the ideas working together.  The effect of the band tinted front screen, the black paint above the screen and the black glass roof just merge together.  You look at it and see any one part of it, it just works.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 31, 2014, 11:52:35 AM
Back on post 298 it said I took the splitter to Eclipse as Stafford. They said it would be ready for collection on Thursday afternoon and I told them I would pick it up Friday morning.  That way I could go down the M6 to DNA
The best laid plans of mice, men and Furraris.  Eclipse phoned just as I was leaving.  They are on the same estate as S F Fireworks used to be.  Used to be cos it burned down overnight.  Two burned and one missing.  Whole estate closed off.
Hope to get the splitter Monday but more likely Tuesday.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 31, 2014, 02:31:32 PM
Despite the fire in Stafford next to the people who have my splitter work continues on the Furrari.

The exhaust arrived while I was there dropping some bits off.

Pic 1)  The new exhausts.

Pic 2)  Rear diffuser.  offered up but not in its final position.  Its a pity the body part of the diffuser isn't dipped but this is part of the rear clip so it cant be dipped.

Pic 3) Just a view of the rear as I drove away.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Born Survivor on October 31, 2014, 09:19:09 PM
I think you should go for a black roof :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 31, 2014, 10:43:07 PM
Born Survivor

The Furrari has a black roof. 
The top of the screen is band tinted, getting darker as it goes up.  The bit above the screen to the roof opening line has been painted gloss black and the roof panel is glass that looks black from the outside.
If you mean the whole roof, then I sorry but the roof centre in black with the yellow cantrails is the paint scheme is part of my vision of what I want as my super car.  It was done like this because if I didn't like it it was easier to paint the yellow bits black than the black bits yellow.

After it was painted we stuck some black tape on the screen pillars and the cantrails.  It didn't look as good so my original choice is staying.

But I'm democratic on this, one member one vote.  I'm the one member that has the one vote.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on October 31, 2014, 11:14:15 PM
Black cant rails for me 8)
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 31, 2014, 11:21:25 PM
Steve
Presumably you are talking a black roof over a red body. 
The standard Ferrari colours are all yellow or an all black roof and screen surround over a yellow body.  However we are not talking a Ferrari but a Furrari.  Trust me, it looks good.  I am not qualified to comment on how it would look with that funny red colour.
Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: STRDAL360 on October 31, 2014, 11:46:38 PM
Looks as though you have this thing for yellow ....  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on November 01, 2014, 12:06:52 AM
No Mick,
              in my opinion any colour on the West Coast would look better with black cant rails.
 i don,t think red would suit the West Coast.
White, Yellow, Silver, Graphite grey,or many metalic,s suit it. I think the black cant rails lower the look of the car, but what do I know mines a 430 spider and I cant remember what it looks like with the top up ;D
Looking forward to seeing yours and other West Coast,s at the shows next year.
Your car is a credit to you, DNA and any one else involved in the creation, well done to all
Loving it, MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 01, 2014, 09:40:46 AM
Madman/STRDAL

Other than my "toy" cars I've never had a yellow one.  The last 30 years at work I had company cars and didn't want to stand out.  Now it's my car and my toy I want to, and can stand out from the masses.

The West Coast has a high waist line.  This is necessary because of the West Coast boot lid being on top of the SL one.  The roof line is slightly lower than the California.  This is the shape that Merc made for the SL based on the original waist line.  The overall effect of this is a smaller turret ( the technical term for the glass and roof bit that sticks up above the main body line).  The yellow cantrails are to visually lift this rather than lower, what is already a low roof line.

Those of you that saw the buck in black at DNA or at Stoneleigh might think the West Coast looked big.  In yellow it looks huge.  How it looks when the black, 19" wheels are on and the car is down to it's lowered ride height, remains to be seen.  Hopefully with the lowered front and the high rear it will have a solid, slight wedge, stance.

Now 99% certain of being at Brands.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: DNA USA on November 01, 2014, 05:34:50 PM
Here's the rear of the SL and Cali together, for height comparison.

Also, another picture with black A posts alone - gives it a Nissan GTR look perhaps...which is not the goal...

I like your colored cantrails all the way front to back, Furrari.

Dove US
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rsoles on November 01, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Hey up Furrari, been working away for a while cant believe the amount of west coast projects completed And on the road but not yours ........ What gone wrong ?..... ???
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 01, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
rsoles.
Nothing has gone wrong.  Due to having a lot of bits that have to be done (like Carbon Fibre bits) before other bits ( critical path analysis) means that although work is continuing it's not always visible.  A lot of jobs have been dropped pending the Brands Hatch trip. ( mainly electronics I am adding, most of which are secret ( just in case they don't work).
Having bits stuck in Stafford due to the Fireworks factory fire don't help.

Dove.
Those photographs are very interesting with regards to the boot height.  It would be interesting to see the same picture but of a West Coast and a California both with the roof up and down.  I wonder how the side profile looks side by side.
I think Tony (Tbag) has shown a three quarter view of a white car with black screen pillars.  It gives a strange look, as if the roof is floating in mid air rather than being part of the car.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 02, 2014, 08:01:24 AM
Dove
Just had a another look at the side view you posted.
The California was criticised by Ferrari fans as not being aggressive enough.  I think the pic you found makes it look very aggressive.  Definatly a Ferrari.
Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rsoles on November 02, 2014, 07:20:13 PM
Furrari, you was the first to order this great creation why should you have to wait till last, are the others not as high spec as yours ? Great colour........ ;D ;D ;D the only colour fit for this model !!!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 02, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
rsoles.
Nobody has jumped me on build time except while I was waiting for third party work.  Spec, well The Furrari is the first to have such an extensive interior make over.  Other changes that have slowed things down, but not put anybody ahead of me, include hub extender redesign (I think this will become standard) to prevent a problem I had on an MG years ago.
When you see it at Brands on the 15th you will understand that the extra time taken has been more than worth it.
Although The Furrari will be at Brands development will contine with upgrades planned over the next few months.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tbag on November 02, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Furrari, you was the first to order this great creation why should you have to wait till last, are the others not as high spec as yours ? Great colour........ ;D ;D ;D the only colour fit for this model !!!!

First to start a build thread not first to order.... and micks is the bollocks thats why its taking longer...
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on November 03, 2014, 09:20:24 AM
I have physically seen Mick's Yellow California, it is very highly detailed, you will have to come to Brands Hatch to see to believe it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 03, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
The body side of things is almost ( pending getting bits back from a fire ravaged Stafford) finished.  With the boot electrics finished (for now) and the doors back together ( for now) all the electrical gremlins we were having with battery drain have found a gremlin home somewhere else.

A post about today's work as soon a Management sorts the pictures out.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 03, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
Today Tony fitted the auxiliary lights, including the heated washer jets and the washer pump.  To get the washers in Tony had to cut a small piece of FG away to clear but this can't be seen unless you have just been run over.  We covered the lenses with Fly Eye film.  While Tony was fitting the lights I soldered up the loom, but this won't be fitted until after Brands.

We've gone for a separate pump incase adding more jets drops the wash pressure down for lifting the headlight washers and washing the headlights.

The picture shows the lights with the grill fitted.

What's that, you cant see the lights.
That is the idea of putting them behind the grill with the Fly Eye film on!  Nice job Tony.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 03, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
rsoles.  Re your post #316,  I won't be last.  There are many more to follow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on November 03, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
Looking good buddy not long now :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 05, 2014, 09:45:54 AM
I have in my sweaty little hands The Furrari splitter.  Jill collected it from Stafford yesterday afternoon.  Jill collected it so I wouldn't strangle anybody.
I have repeatedly phoned this company (6 times) Eclipse Tinting, who keep saying they will phone me back.  5 times they haven't.
The work lookd OK but has a few small bubbles in which they say will go away.  As of this morning they haven't, but they won't be seen when it's fitted and I don't expect to have to chase a company like this. I know they have had a fire on the same estate, but the splitter should have been ready for collection before the fire and other than the Friday it didn't affect the phones.  I won't be using this company again.

Right, off to DNA with the splitter.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 05, 2014, 02:48:59 PM
Splitter fitted.  Rolland said the bubbles weren't too bad and he got rid of them.
Number plates on.  Underbody trays back on.
Exhaust now fitted, bit of a delay while new mounts arrived from Merc ( the old ones were a bit tired, why fit them back on at this at age ) Not a lot louder than the standard SL one, but a bit of an edge to it.
The revised hub extenders have been promised for Friday.  The adjustable front suspension is already on so there should be no delay there.
Cleaned the overspray off the windows and I'll start cleaning all the paint dust runs and stuff from the under bonnet area.
I'm starting to get exsited.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: ghall164 on November 05, 2014, 04:37:46 PM
 :)getting excited for you mick it's allwat a pleasure seeing you and your cars on the dna stand  beautifully finished as allways
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on November 05, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
come on Mick - where are the pictures!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on November 05, 2014, 09:01:03 PM
Mick, this is turning out to be a fantastic car and build.
Full credit to you and the guys at DNA.
Looking forward to more pics and seeing the real thing.
Well done mate.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 05, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
Pics.   The tail pipes are not actually part of the exhaust, they are only covers for actual pipes that run inside them, and I've already photoed them.  The rest of the pipes are under the car.
Similarly the underbody panels are........under the body.

Hope to have a few pics tomorrow after I pic up some "expanding rivets" from Merc for tiding the boot lid lining.

There will be lots of pics when we uncover the interior away from the FG dust.

Brands here we come.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 07, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
I picked up the rivets, but after struggling for ten minutes trying to get the cover on ( is it still called a cover when it's underneath?) we decided to leave it until after Brands as it would have to come off again to finish the wiring.

Only thing added is a deflector behind the bonnet vent to stop water soaking the under bonnet sound proofing. ( also to carry the Knight Rider  lights. :-). )

It does move under it's own power although only in and out of the workshop.

Hub extenders due in today and then alls finished until after Brands. (MOT dependant)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on November 07, 2014, 10:32:26 AM
Getting there Mick. lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 07, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
Pumped up a rear tyre using the standard compressor that comes with the SL.  It's that slow you have time for a cuppa and a bun.
Don't fancy being stuck on the Motorway, in the rain, with 44 tonners thundering past, so that's added to the upgrade list for after Brands.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 11, 2014, 06:32:06 PM
Been a bit slow of late.  The Furrari has been siting down at DNA waiting for bits.  I picked up the hub extenders this evening from the machine shop and they will be down at DNA by 9.00 tomorrow.  These are the last bits needed get us to Brands.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on November 11, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
You getting in the way of mines Mick. Lol.
You car does look like a million dollars though.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on November 11, 2014, 09:27:03 PM
well furrari what can i say. been down to see brian today and your car was there, the trim looks fantastic :o. going to be burning the midnight oil for friday but im sure it will be done.daz
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 11, 2014, 10:59:43 PM
Darren.  Yep, Brian thinks it's the midnight oil as well.
Nothing new there.  When I had my 430 I "borrowed" it for the weekend for Newark and then it went back for finishing.
This time I've got a lot to do before the finish.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 11, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
Kal.  Soon be out of the way mate.  I'll only take The Furrari back when the Kalifornia has gone to paint.
I'll let you drool over mine so you don't get withdrawl symptoms.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on November 12, 2014, 09:27:25 PM
nice to see your car driving down the road today, looks great and every one was stareing at it. 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on November 12, 2014, 09:57:47 PM
nice to see your car driving down the road today, looks great and every one was stareing at it. 8)
           Yes everyone stareing at it, but no one saw anything, typical, hope the find it Mick ;D ;D
MADMAN ;) ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on November 12, 2014, 10:07:32 PM
wondered why every one was scraching thier heads at dna ;D. on its way to MOT centre.looked fab. daz
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 13, 2014, 11:14:13 AM
Wo hoo.  The Furrari is home.  A lot of little faults all of which will be fixed after Brands.

Took it to WDM ( local independant Merc agent) to have the Comand faults cleared, only two left due to poor connections. Easily sorted after Brands.

Entire staff of WDM lined up to wave me off.

Stopped for petrol.  A lot of attention.  IMHO it looks better than my 430 and gets more attention.

Right off to start cleaning it.  Pictures when it's cleaned.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 13, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
Have you ever had the feeling you were being watched.?   :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on November 13, 2014, 09:02:08 PM
It must be clean by now Mick? 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 13, 2014, 10:48:19 PM
Paul
No it's not clean yet.  Even with plastic covers over the seats and dash the FG monster has visited it and left dust.

I'll give it a wash on the morning before setting off for Brands but no time for a polish and wax.

It's going back to DNA when Kals goes to paint to be finished. (Callipers chrome grill etc) so more FG dust to go in.)

Then over to Luke's to have the trim finished (steering wheel etc)

Finally the demon electronics to go in, but I haven't finalised the design yet.
Can't do a lot physically these days but I wield a mean soldering iron.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tricky on November 15, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
Saw micks car today , very impressed with the carbon work and the interior
Pics Definatly don't do it justice
Same with the White demo and tenpins blue which has a colour that changes!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on November 15, 2014, 06:49:11 PM
hi tricky,did you take your car,any pics ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on November 15, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
I've got a few. Will post in a bit.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 17, 2014, 04:39:45 PM
Only went shopping in Walsall.  On the way in I was following a van.  The lights were on Auto and as it was a bit dull the headlights were on.  The van indicated and pulled in and as soon as I passed him he pulled out and followed me.  At the next set of lights he was turning right.  As he pulled along side his passengers window was open.  I asked him if my lights were dazzling him?

" No mate" he replied. " but your paint is. "
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 25, 2014, 07:39:57 PM
Loomed up the auxiliary lights, pump, heated nozzles and front repeaters over the last few days and it's all in trunking. Tried to take some pictures but it's too dark inside the grill area to see any details.  Just the plumbing to do and The Furrari can go back to have the chrome grill surround fitted.
Non of the extra bits working yet as I haven't done the controller part yet.
I drove the car round to the lockups behind us last night.  Tried main beam and the auxiliary lights ( just jumped the aux. lights from the battery. ). Very bright, I'll be able to see where I'm going now.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 29, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
When Mark from Total Head Turners took my 4Thirty away it was a very dark, wet horrible night.  The third brake light flashed in time with his hazard lights.  This meant that the lights were visible above our heads even if we obscured the hazards on the trailer.  As i'm a time served coward I thought i'd incorporate this idea into the new Ferrari.
DNA fitted me a deflector behind the grill on the bonnet that stops rain and spray soaking the bonnet insulation and would carry a set of hazard lights.  These will only work if the bonnet is open and can't be seen through the grill when the bonnet is closed.  The grill repeaters (see previouse post) will stop working when the bonnet is opened to be replaced by the bonnet repeaters.

Pic 1)  Three of the four lights to go on the deflector.  Each light has two LEDs in.  One pointing forwards (amber) and pointing down (white as an engine light).  These have the live feeds joined together and are switched by the return wire.  Its a microprocessor thing.

Sorry about the dusty state of the black bonnet reinforcement, I haven't had chance to clean it yet.

Pic 2)  Shows the lights fitted with the bundle of wires to work the indicators.  This will allow the indicator pattern to be controlled by a microprocessor.  One pattern not available will be Knight Rider scan.  The bundle will be covered with a plate when all the programming is finished to neaten it up.

Pic 3)  Another picture taken from the other side showing the trunk/loom going into the bonnet reinforcement mould,
It then travels down inside the moulding

Pic 4)  Emerging out the same hole as the rest of the bonnet wiring (heated screen wash nozzle and jet tubing)  The loom isn't finished yet as it has to go to the control box.

Pic 5)  The unfinished end of the loom, labelled up so I don't have to remember what colour goes where.

Pic 6)  The engine lights lit.  Not as bright as I hoped but I will leave a couple of tails so I can add more light if needed.

Pic 7)  Indicators lit.  Nice and bright,

In most of the pictures you can also see where we have covered the cut edge of the reinforcement panel with a trim edging from a mini to smarten it up.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on December 12, 2014, 10:44:47 PM
Saw this for sale on eBay but looks what's lurking in the background  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 12, 2014, 10:50:53 PM
Thanks Paul .  It's a Furrari. :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 20, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
Not posted on here for a bit.  DNA are still waiting for some bits to fit the new brake disks and callipers but that doesn't stop other development work.  Yesterday was exhaust day.

The DNA exhaust didn't give me what I really wanted.  OK at full throttle but too loud for cruising in a supercar.  Other people on the forum have mentioned bypass valves.  These (for some reason also known as sound motors) are mainly used to make a car noisier, but I wanted to make the car quieter.

Research and talking to a range of exhaust people, I looked at various types of valve from an engineering point of view and went for a pair from Top Gear Exhausts which were of German manufacture ( although it turns out the motors were made in China). Despite asking for the type with no gap around the butterfly flap I ended up with ones with a gap as the "no gap" type have been discontinued due to problems if they are installed incorrectly.

I took the valves to MIJ Performance in Walsall who make custom exhausts and talked ideas over with Jay, the boss man.  We put it on the ramp and he stood there just looking at it.  Come back Friday morning ( this was Monday).

Arrived just before 9.00 on Friday but not all the bits were in ( due in at 12.00) but work started removing the bits that would not be needed ( I want one of those pneumatic hacksaws) .  Work started at earnest about 12.00 with at times four people working on it.

The system consists of the "X" joint being removed and replaced with a 2 into 2 silencer which still gives two pipes.  Each of these lead to a 1 into 2 box giving two pipes a side.  The inner pipe from each side goes to the bypass valve and then via a short pipe with a turned down tip so hot exhaust gases clear the diff.

The other side, via a very complex bendy pipe to miss all the mechanical bits feeds a silencer in the rear quarter ( same place as the DNA one but twice as big).  All the bits fit at a higher level than the front of the car so nothing hangs down to catch on things.  Where the new exhaust pipes fit inside the a exhaust tips have been warped in heat resistant wrap to protect the tips and to prevent rattles developing if the mountings get a bit tired.

Installation finished about 7:00  but it's still not finalised as I have to make some new, bigger butterfly flaps to seal the valves properly but Jay gave me a couple of stainless disks to grind down.

The big question, how does it sound.  Well the valve control is not fitted yet as I wanted to see ( or is that hear) the sound level first with the valves open.   Drove home and these is only one short stretch to give The Furrari a bit of throttle.  Cruising at 30 ish even with the bypass open is very acceptable and the level with the valve closed should be below Merc levels.  Full throttle gives a very deep, but not overly loud V8 rumble with a sporting edge.

The next stage is to make the bigger flaps and design an active control system to open and close the valve as required but with a manual over ride.  The crank sensor arrived Thursday so I can get on with that.  I hope to be designing and making my own switches as well, but more of that later.

Pictures to follow when we fire up the laptop.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 20, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
Pictures as promised.

1). The front of MIJ Performance.

2) & 3). Some bits of pipe work being welded.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 20, 2014, 06:22:21 PM
It might look a bit strange using a ladder but it's so one person can be underneath and somebody else can check the alignment of the pipes.

Having a picture problem.  Pic to follow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 21, 2014, 11:33:41 AM
Pic 1).  The bits that came off.

Pic 2).  Looking towards the back of the car showing the 2 into 2 box mounted and the 1 into 2 boxes in position.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 21, 2014, 11:58:14 AM
Pic 1).   Same bits but from the back showing the outlets of the first three boxes

Pic 2).   The last box which fits inside the rear quarter.  Bit of a squeeze but with a bit of 3D pipe bending it will go in.
Pictures a bit blurred cos we were starting to loose daylight.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 01, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
Driving The Furrari with the valves open has shown that with that with that silencer set up that the valves aren't needed.  At low revs it's very quiet and at high reves and full throttle is a very deep, reasonably loud roar.  But the valves are fitted so they will be used.

I have looked for switches that I like and will fit in the top of the centre consol/arm rest when the phone originally fitted and can only find one I like but they are £23.00 each with a minimum order of 20 off, so that's out.  Solution, make my own.  (I need seven )

The prototype consists of a disk of copper backed vero board with a wire soldered onto it.  This is the (touch) switch itself.  This fits into an E14 lamp shade reducer.  The reducer is threaded so the disc won't fit flush but I will file the thread out and bond the disk in on the final job.  I can paint the disks black and label them to suit.

This reducer fits into a translucent poly washer from Homebase which needs about 1mm nibbling from the I/d to suit.

This assembly, as a test of concept, fits in a hole in a bit of vero board.

This touch switch has no moving parts and is less than 5mm thick so leaving plenty of room for the control board below it.  The washer has a ring of eight LEDs below it which light up to show the status of the output to the main control panel under the bonnet which processes the signal from the crank sensor to open and control the valves depending on the revs or over ridden from the panel.

Pic1). All the bits

Pic 2). The proto assembly.  Doesn't look much but it's just a proof of concept before I start filling.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on January 02, 2015, 09:51:08 AM
love the home made switch!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on January 04, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
Mick came over the other day. I can confirm his car sounds very good, puts a smile on your face.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Ken458 on January 28, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
Furrari I was looking at a Site that does 'Rectangular' Washers
Having seen a Build on the Club where somebody meticulously cut and filed loads of them to replicate the Ceramic Discs fixed to the 'Hat' in centre of the Disc .... There is a Size chart
Might be useful ....

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/kenny2200/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/F91FA7B2-FC7B-4080-851B-76B88C35E6AE.png) (http://s257.photobucket.com/user/kenny2200/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/F91FA7B2-FC7B-4080-851B-76B88C35E6AE.png.html)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 28, 2015, 10:27:28 PM
Thanks Ken.  I will look at these.  Might be a good base to make something similar.
Mick.

Not had much to post recently as I'm working on electronics and I don't want to post anything until it's finished.

Brian and Tony have fitted the disks and calipurrs ( Furraris do have calipurrs).  I am working on something a bit different in that area.  Photos as soon as I finish it ( hopefully next week)

I like this forum.  If you can't think of a solution, somebody else can.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 29, 2015, 10:08:04 AM
Ken.
I've looked further at this, and the ideal (ie simple) is clipped washers.  These look like an ordinary washer with two edges clipped off.  Now if I can find them is stainless we are away or it's a lot of filing.  Ether way it won't be until spring.
Thanks for the idea.
Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Ken458 on January 29, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
Haa Cracked it ... Eh! As you say it's a Great forum and someone will either find a Solution or provide inspiration... Love reading Folks Builds and see Pics as they progress to finished cars!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on February 03, 2015, 12:16:39 PM
Hi Mick.

Was going through the old post at the beginning of December and read about someone who made the clips for the ceramic discs there was also some pictures but I can't find where it is perhaps one of the guys might know where it is.

Anyway the car is looking great can't wait to hear the exhaust see you soon :)

                                                                                                                   John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 03, 2015, 01:31:37 PM
JJ

Thanks for the post.  I think something along the lines of the clipped washers in Stainless with stainless bolts will do the job without too much work or cost.  I have no intention of doing anything until the temp rises more than just a bit.

However not doing anything does not stop me researching updates I want to do.  All ideas welcome.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 03, 2015, 05:37:51 PM
Not sure this is what you mean, but there are rectangle stailness washers under my stemless bolts now..!

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 03, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Thanks Lee, that's one solution.  I'll look into this more when I can spend time in the garage without freezing my nuts off.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 03, 2015, 05:58:50 PM
Yep Lee those are the type we are after, very difficult to find someone selling them
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 03, 2015, 06:00:49 PM
Mick when you have mo, can you please send me the measurements of the horse and badges on your car
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on February 03, 2015, 07:20:13 PM
I've got a spare set of blocks for dummy discs and so to will Mario :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 03, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
I'll call you Tommorrow Wayne. I will probably have those of you please
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 03, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
I've got a spare set of blocks for dummy discs and so to will Mario :)

I don't think Matio has a spare set now Wayne..!! 👍
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 12, 2015, 11:00:39 PM
Talking to Barry today, he has got 1 spare set left currently.

I believe he may be able to get more done if needed, but there is one up for grabs, the same as mine...

I must admit, they make the disc look 100% better. (IMHO)

Lee
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on February 12, 2015, 11:24:26 PM
I'm all out too lee sold my last set to kal

I've only got the set left for the discs I'm building for someone so better not sell those lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on February 13, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
I may be missing something vital here (like a brain) but why can't you just get some stainless bar and drill them? Or ... (far easier than filing washers) you could get them either laser cut, water cut, or punched. My vote would be for laser or water as they'd be cheap, take minutes and be perfectly sized every time.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2015, 10:00:09 AM
Steve.  There is a very simple reason why I didn't consider having them laser cut.  I didn't think of it.  :-)

This is something to consider and has many merits for a lasy sod like me.  I'm tied up with organising a cat show until the end of the month.  Any body show any good laser cutting firms ?

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
Lee.
Can you ask Barry how much he wants for them for please.  Thanks

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 13, 2015, 11:01:25 AM
Hi Mick,

I paid him £25 for a set and I collected.. (Obviously)
So there will be a postage on top of that...

I can ask him tonight, to confirm?

Lee
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on February 13, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
Everyone's using my idea now :) good to give ideas that work :) now weres my patent ? Lol
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 13, 2015, 11:36:09 AM
Lee, yes please.

Wayne, you should have thought of that first.  :-)

Thanks to everybody for ideas, some you use, some you don't, some you wish you had.  Some you wish you hadn't.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 13, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
Mick, I've PM'ed you.

Wayne.....  This is what happens when you have a good idea mate....!  :).

I once had a good idea.............
 'Cutting my toenails with a scythe, but my foot fell off.....'
(Classic Black Adder line, from Nursie.... Lol....)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 16, 2015, 05:34:02 PM
Owing to the fact that I can't stand the cold I've been working inside.
I've been making a Emulation Panel for the systems I'm adding to The Furrari  (its not just a switch panel it reproduces what is happening to the car)  I couldn't find any switches at a reasonable price that I liked so I made my own touch sensitive ones (no moving parts)

Pic 1)  Prototype of the switch. (I've posted this one, and the next one before)  

Pic 2)  The components of the switch consist on a translucent washer from Home Base, an E14 light shade adaptor and a piece of PCB board from Maplins (one side is copper coated)

First draw the panel up on a CAD program and then
Pic 3)  make a template from the drawing to check sizes.

When your happy with your sizes send it to a control panel engraver.  don't use your high street key cutter, it will look like it's been done with a knife and fork.  I used "Make a Sign" in Reditch.  I've used them when I designed control panels in industry.
Pic 4)  The bare, engraved panel.  Yellow (would you expect any other colour) on a black background.

Pic 5)  Wireing started. I can only do one section at a time because of all the pins sticking up.

In Pics 6 & 7 I am being assisted by Tiffany, a cat from Jills jewelry stand.

Pic 6)  The back of the completed panel, this shows all the wiring to the LEDs. The wire matches the colour of the LED to keep some order of conformity. This panel does not have the switches fitted as these will be engrave at our cat show at the end of the month.  I have cut them and just have to spray them satin black.  The green square thing is an LCD display which will give a text indication of the status of the switches.

pic 7)  Front of the competed panel.  The LEDs fit below the translucent ring which light up when they are on.  I will post pictures of the lit up panel when its all finished.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: cheets on February 16, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
Very impressive can not what to see it working :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 19, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
My new steering wheel has arrived.  I'll check it works over the week end and if it's OK I'll have it recovered and change the badge. OR, I have something special to try, very special. 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on February 19, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
If interested, I believe there's a guy in Europe (Poland?) who modified Audi steering wheels, making them look like the S4. Perhaps a flat bottom wheel would be a funky add on?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 19, 2015, 08:53:24 PM
Seriph.
No I think I'll stick with a round wheel, but thanks for the idea.   Or I could go buserk and fit one from an Austin Alegro, and they were square.  :-)

Keep the ideas coming folks.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2015, 02:36:37 PM
My new Ferrari arrived this morning.  Within minutes it was another Furrari,
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on February 20, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
ahahahahahah Brilliant!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on February 24, 2015, 02:43:09 PM
Love the yellow Ferrari and the cat as well,

                                                      Hi Mick the steering wheel looks interesting yesterday went to Mercedes world at Brooklyn's they have a big

space Department so I told them that I had 500 SL and I would like to change the steering wheel and they told me that I could not be changed as

the 500 has 4 switches with eight wires or 12 and they do not know, Mercedes are not very helpful all they kept saying why would you want to

change, they said nothing else would fit so I did try and find out for all you guys who have West Coast, so if it fits Mick that let us know what

model it is as it looks quite interesting take care  J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 24, 2015, 04:16:45 PM
JJ.
When you say you went to Mercedes, do you mean the technical department at Milton Keynes.?  I've spoken to them and I can only describe it like a Black Hole of knowledge.  You know less after you have spoken them than you did before.

I'll let everybody know if all works.  I hope to start work again next week after our cat show.  (It's at the Warwickshire Exhibition Centre near Leamington Spa if any body wants to come on Saturday)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on February 25, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
Hi Mike
           Mercedes world is at Brooklands racetrack turn off junction 10 on the M 25 and head to byfleet Mercedes World is a massive great big building where you can see all the Mercedes cars new and old and you can sit in them,

there are 2 Maclaren Mercedes F1 cars the new 2014 Mercedes in a glass case all the bits hanging by wires there are 3 F1 simulators a big F1 souvenir shop,

restaurants and coffee bars,
 
anti skid area to have a practice and a rough terrain area for Mercedes 4 x 4's

classic cars and 2 Cinemas

and a bloody great big space Department and like I said they are useless when it comes to giving out information on steering wheels.

But it was free to go in anyway good luck with the cat Show this weekend.  J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 25, 2015, 06:10:49 PM
JJ
That sounds like the public face of Mercedes.  The technical centre is in MK and is useless but the bit you talk about sound fun.

Our show this weekend is the biggest cat club show of the year. My wife is show manager and I'm the hall manager ( I deal with the nuts and bolts of the show, the layout of the hall and the trade stands.) we have about 615 pens, should be a fun day.  Turn over for the show is in the region of £30,000 ( that doesn't include what the traders take, just what the club handles.)

Fun fun fun :-)

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2015, 12:21:28 PM
Looking further at the "washer" things that join the carbon rotor to the metal bell ( on genuine carbon discs). I tried Vauxhall, Ferrari and Porsche.  All say you have to buy a complete disc/bell assembly.  A bit expensive if you crack one clip.  Even Ferrari challenge cars can not buy one clip.  The man it Porsche suggested I tried Brembo direct.  So I tried both Brembo and AP Racing direct.  Neither even bothered to reply ( not enough money involved I suppose.) So it looks back to plan B.  -:(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 18, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Different type of washers, the head light type. (Well auxiliary lights)

I fitted a pair of LED auxiliary lights some time ago ( you can look back on this tread if you want to see them) Each light has a pair of washer nozzles fitted.  Tried them today.  Little more than a dribble, no where near enough to wash the road much off the lights.  I tried blanking off one side of the tee.  Result.  Plenty of volume and pressure but it does mean I will have to fit a second pump ( good job I've got a second)

Unfortunately it also means I will have to make my own washer bottle as well so it has two outlets, one to each pump.

Off to get some bits.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on March 19, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
I am having a custom steering made, on the chasis of the original wheel, so no fitting problems. I am also having a flat bottom. Similar to this picture, should get it back in a about 4 weeks. Will let you know how it goes!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 19, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
Kal.  The shape of your bottom is too much detail. :-). 

Going back to the wheel I look forwards to seeing how you get on.  I looked long and hard for a company to do a conversion for me to a three spoke wheel and couldn't find anybody.

I now have a three spoke wheel but I'll hold off having it recovered until I see how you get on.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on March 19, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
I am sure I read somewhere on the Mercedes forums that guys were able to put 3 spoke wheel conversions. Something about coding it afterwards I think
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 20, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
That's the satin stainless ordered to make new sill plates.  Should I have them with "Ferrari" or "California" on them?

I suppose it really depends what I get on the carpets. Don't want the same on both.

What do you think.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on March 20, 2015, 07:03:53 PM
Get both.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on March 20, 2015, 08:02:58 PM
Agree with Paul79.....get both....lovely :o
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 21, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
Both?  Do you mean "Ferrari California" on the door sill?

Worth thinking about.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on March 21, 2015, 09:35:25 AM
Hi Mick
           on my Mercedes 500 SL I had 2 door sills one that was under the door and one that was under the internal panel of the door so it looked like a step, so as it is in 2 separate pieces therefore  Ferrari on the top and California on the bottom sill hope this helps take care J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 21, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
JJ
You are both wright and wrong.  On the SL the scuff panel / sill is a sort of step shape.  The new body shape in this area means that the lower/outer part of the panel has to be cut back so it's flush with the revised sill line.

As usual on this forum you can post on here and get new ideas to think about.  I think what I will do is cut the new insert to shape. Stick it in place with just enough tape to hold it and make stick on labels with the options to see what look like.  The insert in the SL is very narrow compared with the Ferraris'

This is the great thing about kit cars, you can do what you want.

Keep the ideas coming.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on March 21, 2015, 02:35:52 PM
both words along the sill in different fonts...

the Ferrari as normal and then the California in the italic style
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on March 21, 2015, 02:38:11 PM
like below, but all on one line
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 21, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
Paul.
Yeh, something like that, but the strip is only 50mm wide.  I'm sure something will come to me.

Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 22, 2015, 09:51:59 AM
I think I've decided ( unless I change my mind).
I would like "California" on the sills but the height of the "f" means the rest of the script would be very small, so on the sills it will just be "Ferrari".  That leaves "California" to go on the carpets.  The family crest ( certainly the scrolls ) is too detailed to go on the carpets so I think the horsey is the way to go.  I'll order them Monday.
The carpets will of course be yellow on black.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on March 22, 2015, 09:11:57 PM
What I meant by both, was California on the carpets and Ferrari on the sills....or vice versa.

Its 10 letters versus 7....so I suppose it depends on sill space....sounds like cali carpet then

Sir P
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 22, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
I like Paul's idea.  I just don't know where to use it.  :-(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 25, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
The stainless steel for the sills has arrived, I ordered satin but it's too shiny, perhaps I should have ordered brushed.  It's not a problem I'll just give it a rub down before it goes for engraving.

I've removed the SL sill insert.  It consists of a two part assembly with the bit you see stuck (bonded) to another strip with the clips on.  I don't think I can separate the two so I'll just be using double sided tape.

Pics as the job progresses.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 25, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
The semi gloss is the way to go, it's easier to see the making out and weather you starred with "satin" or brushed I'm still going to have to rub it down with wire wood to get a scratch free finish.

I  tried tin snips, no good, it seems to twist the edge up.  Hack saw, difficult to follow a curved line as you have to use the saw flat as the steel is very thin.  Best way seem to be the old angle grinder followed by filing down to the line.  I'd forgotten how sharp ground stainless can be.  Can cause frayed fingers if your not careful.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 27, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Tin snips, Hacksaw, mine are both gathering dust, I reach for the angle grinder every time ;D
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 27, 2015, 08:36:03 PM
Madman.
You are correct.  I'm more used to aluminium which I cut with a monodex, but stainless is a different animal.

Don't laugh but my R.E.D. Paint arrived today.  I might use it. I might not.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 28, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
Madman.
You are correct.  I'm more used to aluminium which I cut with a monodex, but stainless is a different animal.

Don't laugh but my R.E.D. Paint arrived today.  I might use it. I might not.  We'll see.

                       Did I read that correctly RED :o ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
MADMAN ;) ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 28, 2015, 09:32:44 AM
Madman.   

Yes you did see the three letter word.

Red is a bit like syrup of figs.  Can be beneficial in small quantities but too much can be disasterous.  :-)

I was down at DNA on Thursday at the same time as Kal.  I do have to say, even though it's red it does look very good.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on March 28, 2015, 11:14:24 AM
Red calipers will compliment your fantastic car Mick 8)
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 28, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Madman.

Red calipurrs.  No chance.  I was thinking about Red Nose Day. :-)

It's a detail Kal and I were talking about on Thursday.  I've got so many jobs half done but I (or Kal) will post as soon as it's done.  ( well started anyway )

Mick. :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 29, 2015, 04:03:36 PM
Carpets have arrived.

it's been quite a job getting these.  Most mat manufactures that put text on have a max height of 30 or 40mm.  If you are having a brush script that means that the height of the "f" is the limit.  The rest of the text is about 20mm for the capital "C" and the rest is even smaller.  This text is the width of the carpet less about 50mm per side.

It's not over the top is it?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on March 29, 2015, 05:51:19 PM
Wow....they look great....over the top?....nah....just the job :o

I only wonder if the script comes a bit close to the seat....so the seat might hide it a bit...especially if pulled forward....don't want that.

Is it sewn into the carpet, or stuck on?

Sir P
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 29, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
Sir P

The position isn't a problem, I drive with the seat well back.  Where the text is it won't get trodden on so it won't get dirty.

It's neither sewn in nor stuck on.  It's sort of heat sealed in.

I thought with all the black interior I wanted a bit of colour.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on March 29, 2015, 07:14:05 PM
Hi Mick  like the carpets they look great I always knew you had good taste.

When you and Kal where at  DNA on Thursday is there anything new happening like a new prototype you must've have spotted something hiding in the corner?   take care J J
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 29, 2015, 07:33:47 PM
JJ

There is always something going on at DNA but anything I see, or any of us see, is commercially confidential and we would not say anything about it.  I'm sure you understand.  What I can say is that the Aero Kit is progressing with several units ordered in advance of it's design being finalised.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 30, 2015, 04:42:04 PM
Busy day by my standards.  Bits to be laser cut drawn up in CAD and ordered.  Sills finished, polished and ready to go for engraving. 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 31, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Sills gone for engraving.  Probably two weeks cos he's got 3,000 glasses to do first.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 01, 2015, 12:06:32 PM
I've bought myself an air bag jack thingy so I can jack the car up on uneven ground and I don't have to crawl an the floor to position a scissor jack.  I have a problem.  You have to put the end of the pipe to the bag over your exhaust pipe.  The Furrari has six exhaust pipes, any ideas.  :-(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 15, 2015, 06:06:12 PM
Sill plates are back.   I think they are a bit understated but Management likes hem so they must be OK.

1)  Close up of the engaving.

2).  Plates in place (double sided 'icky tape) showing size against the "California" on the carpets
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 16, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
A couple of posts ago i posted pics of my carpets.  These were my everyday carpets.  Having seen that they were OK i have ordered a set for show use.  I don't think that they are suitable for everyday use as the yellow horsey will show any footprints.  Here are my super mats.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tbag on April 16, 2015, 11:52:28 AM
Look great they do ..
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Phils99 on April 16, 2015, 12:25:01 PM
They are lovely Mick, defo show use only!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on April 16, 2015, 01:13:30 PM
Looking good Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Commando on April 16, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
Liking them !
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Ken458 on April 17, 2015, 01:14:55 PM
Like the Sills Mick look OEM ... as you say Matts Shows Only.... but  they do look Good ! See them at Newby Hall no doubt


Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 18, 2015, 07:20:09 PM
I'm doing a bit of work on the discs. (A development of Kals idea).  It's a bit of a struggle for me to get the wheels and discs off so the local tyre place (Rawlings Tyres in Burntwood.  Plug plug) took them off for me.  Ian had just taken one disc off and it was lying face up so it looked solid when another customer came up to see what we were doing on The Furrari.  He saw one disc on the floor, one still on the car and two calipurrs.  He asked what that was about.  Quick as a flash Ian said all Ferraries are like this, it gives them twice the braking power having a twin disc set up.  The other customer went away quite happy.

Don't you love it when others join in with the fun.

Pictures of what I'm doing a bit later.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on April 19, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
don't keep us waiting for too long Mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 19, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
Replica disc brakes. .......(part 1)

Well, in the beginning was the void.  And God saw the void and thought "That's a bit boring" so he created heaven and earth and all moving things including kit cars ( full details are available in The Bible). On the Sunday he went down the pub with his mates.

On the Monday he looked at the kit car he had created and said " That will never do, you can tell it's a kit car by looking at the brakes.  So he called his mate Darwin and said " Hay Charlie, I've created kit cars but the brakes don't look right.  What do you recon we can evolve these into"

So Mr Darwin went away and had a think and this is how replica disc brakes evolved.

To be continued.........
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 19, 2015, 02:01:28 PM
Replica disc brakes.......continued. (Part 2)

So Darwins first first idea was a stainless steel disc, sandwiched between the hub/spacer and the wheel, drilled a few ventilation holes in it, roughed it up a bit so it looked used and away we went.  A vast improvement but not right yet.

After a few generations Mr. D.  said " well people have got wise to this so we will have to think of something new, a bit more convincing."

He had a bit of a think, a word with Bremo and he had an idea.  The rest of the conversion is fibre glass so why not make the replica disc out of fibre glass as well.  So he had a set made and it looked OK but something was missing.  "Ah I have it, where Brembo put that bobin, spring assembly I'll just put some screws". and off he went on his holidays to the Galapagos Islands to see the tortoises and the finches.

TO BE CONTINUED.........
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 19, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
 Replica disc brakes ..........(part 3 )

So God looked down upon Darwin's work and said " hmmm, needs a bit more, Charlie's on his jollies.  I think I'll drop the problem on DNA and the owners club". And that folks is why we have to sort it.

TO BE CONTINUED........
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 19, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Replica Disc Brakes.........(part 4)

The DNA disc is very similar to the main stream design, consisting of a bell (althogh it's flat ) which is bolted to the hub\spacer assembly and the rotor which is bolted to the bell with M5 screws.  This means that where Brembo have a bobin\spring set up on the DNA set up you just see ten screw heads.
Lee and Kal have improved this by placing a stainless laser cut rectangle under the screw to resemble the Brembo set up.

I wanted a bit more realism so I tried to find some springs to suit.  Neither Ferrari, Porsche nor Vauxhall (insignia WRX) will sell you just the spring, you have to buy the complete assembly of disc, rotor, spacers, springs etc.  I eventually tracked down some springs, still costing the best part of £100 for the 40.  Having discussed the job with Tony Tbag I drew up some reinforcing plated and had them laser cut in 1.5mm stainless steel.

The discs have now been removed, striped down and the inner part ( that resembles the bell) filled to remove small pitting in the surface.  Rubbed down, masked up and primed.

Pic 1).  The discs removed ( the fourth already done as a prototype but no pictures).

Pic 2).  One disc filled ready for rubbing down and painting.

TO BE CONTINUED.........
Pic 3).  All three ready.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 20, 2015, 01:34:42 PM
Replica Disc Brakes ...........(part 5)

Rubbed down, primed and painted satin black.  Can't do much more today so I think I'll go in the garden and cuddle the chickens.  Assembly starts tomorrow.

TO BE CONTINUED ...........
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 21, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Replica Disc Brakes.......(part 6)

I missed a bit out on the strip down.  I forgot to say that I had marked up which bell went with which rotor and which position had the four screws that held the bell to the rotor.  Because it's rotating mass you have to be careful not to upset the balance.  I don't suppose what I'm doing will make any difference but tolerances can add up so why risk it.

Although I had the reinforcing washers laser cut due to the variation in FG mouldings I've had to file a bit off each one to suit the draft angle and blend radius on the inside of the rotor.  When DNA fitted the screws originally they relieved the blend radius but the length of the reinforcement would require a lot of cutting which might weaken the rotor.

The original M5 screws fit through seems to be a 5mm hole as there is very little clearance.  The edge nearest the outside of the rotor needs extending to suit the screw to the edge of the spring.  You can file this locally or take the easy path ( as I did) and just open them out to 7mm which also ensures they're in the same place.

The shorter of the M5 screws is 12mm long, this needs to be increased to 16mm.  The flanged screw goes through the spring, 3 x M5 washers and then the rotor.  On the back of the rotor is the reinforcing plate and an M5 nut ( all this lot is stainless by the way.). The three washers control the "crush" of the spring.  There isn't room to get a washer under the nut at the back so I used a blob of locktite.  Don't get locktite onto painted surfaces it will mark them.  Check that the ends of the screws finish below the inside face of the rotor or the bell won't sit right.

Repeat the above with the screws that are used to fix the bell to the rotor, but the screws need to be 25mm long.  Set aside for the locktite to cure (overnight).

Finally take picture of job.  ( picture to follow when I can get my hands on the laptop )


TO BE CONTINUED........
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Ken458 on April 22, 2015, 07:23:05 AM
See you found just about the perfect washers to make that Disc look OEM  worth all the effort to end up with those!
See the car May 10th at CITP 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on April 22, 2015, 11:53:03 AM
Well done Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: cheets on April 22, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
Looking really good Mick do you have a link for the spring :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Replica Disc Brake ......( part 7 )

Because I have drilled the screw holes in the rotor out to 7mm to maintain the screw spacing I drilled the bell out to 7mm, removed any fraze and gave the contact face a coat of satin black to stop any rust.
The draft angle of FG allows you to put a washer on top of the nuts and then another nut ( with locktite) on the four screws that are going to hold the rotor to the bell.  You need to check that the top of the nut is level or slightly above the level of the inside of the rotor.  This is followed by a penny washer ( as per the DNA set up.) then the bell.  Because I have drilled out the mounting holes in the bell you need a washer on the under the screws.  I used serated, shake proof washer because there're thinner.  All topped off with a stainless nyloc washer ( and locktite )

Finally each screw head on the front ( and the nylons on the back ) get a blob of green ( Ferrari use green ) torque indicating paint which shows if any screws or nuts have moved.  I'll give the back of the bell a bit of paint when I finish the job.

Thanks to Kal and Lee for their original ideas.  We all stand on the shoulders of those who went before.

And God looked down on the evolution and was happy.

THE END......for now.

Pic 1)  The back (inside) the rotor.

Pic 2)  The finished assembly
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on April 22, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
looking good buddy

nice to see lee and kal getting the credit for someone elses idea lol :) :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2015, 03:51:51 PM
Wayne.  Don't know where the rectangle idea originally came from but I saw it on Kals car, and evolved it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
Cheets.  I'll get management to sort you a link.  Can't do it from an iPad.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on April 22, 2015, 04:08:40 PM
Gret job Mick
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Paul79 on April 22, 2015, 06:56:58 PM
Look good Mick but are you drilling out the holes?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Spacecowboy on April 22, 2015, 07:31:16 PM
A nice bit of detailing that. Can you share where you managed to get the rectangular washers from?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Paul.  I have considered drilling out the holes but I'm not sure I want to do that.  I'll have a look at Kals when we're at Stoneleigh.  Other ideas include lights behind the disc that are linked to the brakes so that they fade in when you put the brakes on and fade out when you stop or release the brakes but I have more pressing developments.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
Space cowboy.  I have a set for sale.  £25. Plus P&D what is what I bought them for, but I'll count them first to check they are all there.  Or do you mean the ones on this thread.  They were laser cut for me by Laser Processes in Cannock so that they were all identical to save a balance problem.  They are not square but have a curve on one edge to suit the shape of the inside of the rotor.  The shape didn't fit in all the places they are needed so I would have them a slightly different shape.  They all need filling at 45° to fit the blend radius of the rotor.  They cost me £50 the set.  I can let you have the drawing if you want.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: cheets on April 23, 2015, 12:06:27 AM
Thank Mick i was going to get pieces laser cut the same shape but if i can by them all ready dun all the better  :)

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 23, 2015, 10:23:47 AM
Cheets.

Contact for the anti-rattle springs is Reyland.co.uk  i got them via ebay but the search for them took ages.

We may be getting a bit confused on the laser cut bits.  i have a set of rectangular ones like the ones that Kal and Lee have.  i got them off Lee but didn't use them.  These are the the ones that go on the outside of the disc.  I had a set of laser cut ones to my drawing which are the ones I have used on the inside of the disc to stop it cracking and these are the ones you can see in this thread.  Sorry if I have confused you.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: cheets on April 23, 2015, 04:03:06 PM
Thanks for that Mick i have fond them :) and to understand what you have dun not home for another 8 weeks so time to order them :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 30, 2015, 01:36:20 PM
New engine cover badge fitted.
Ferrari shield " floating " over CF.  More cover work to follow but I will do that while the Aero kit is away being dipped.  Looks better live due to the poor lighting in the garage.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 01, 2015, 11:48:25 AM
New three spoke wheel back from trimmers.  Hope to get it on for the weekend but i'm struggling with one of the air bag screws on the old wheel.   Badge on order, basically the same as the engine cover badge.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on May 01, 2015, 02:01:14 PM
It certainly wasn't my idea.........  :o

I bought my stainless plates off Mario (Barry).  But I'm not sure if that was his idea in the first place?

But I'm happy with mine.

Although, these do look fantastic....... But I wouldn't of added the green paint (personally)...

Looking great though
Lee
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 01, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
The green paint is a safety feature used by Ferrari ( yes, they use that terrible green) to show if any of the nut/bolts are working loose.  It's not really paint, is sort of a paste which shows any breaks.  I have used it for years, just not that colour.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 23, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Aero kit filled, rubbed down and painted satin black ready to go down to Wicked Coatings in Poole for carbon dipping.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on May 23, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
Funny that Mick. I have been workng all day on my aerokit too. Just finished painting it, and will fit in a couple days. The amount of work it takes to prepare and paint small parts takes the energy out you. I am sure it will be worth it. I defo will not sell the car now unless I get what i want for it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on May 23, 2015, 08:42:26 PM
Kal

Yes it does take time buddy especially when it has to be right.took me about a week of shaping and re shaping on my 430 aero kit.i wanted exact gaps all around.are you having them anthracite ?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on May 24, 2015, 09:33:10 AM
Yes, so it matches the other parts of the car. I just need to wet and dry then and polish. Hopefully have them on the car mid week.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on May 24, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
Just a shame you just didn't fit the front aero kit Wayne...  :(

And I can't seem to be able to just buy the front aero kit either?

Lee
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 27, 2015, 01:08:38 PM
I'VE FOUND IT ,!   (I think)

Since I saw their work at the last Exeter show and decided that was the Carbon Fibre I wanted for the New Furrari I have been looking for a way to finish the back panel in CF.  I have discussed it with DNA, Madman and others but most of the ideas have been impractical or too expensive.

Knowing new stuff is coming on the market all the time I keep looking every two or three months on Google and eBay.  This weekend I found some black gloss CF vinyl with a gold fleck.  Don't know how close it is in the flesh. ( well plastic ) but it's not too expensive so I've ordered a load.  It's in China so I'll have to wait, but my aero kit is away down to Poole (Wicked Coatings ) for dipping anyway so it's not too bad.

Here's hoping it's close to the dip.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: DNA AUTOMOTIVE on May 27, 2015, 06:52:40 PM
is it air fit dry vinyl do you know mick?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 27, 2015, 09:48:41 PM
DNA.   No it's the age old Blue Peter classic of sticky backed plastic but that will still form to the shape of the back panel with a bit of heat.  I've ordered twice what I need just in case.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 29, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
Has anybody sprayed clear acrylic gloss or satin over red crackle finish?  I need a good finish to allow vinyl stickers to stick on the engine cover.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: DNA AUTOMOTIVE on May 29, 2015, 05:40:38 PM
Might react be careful
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on May 29, 2015, 07:01:18 PM
Ideally you could do with the section were the stickers go to be smooth.thats the only way the stickers will have 100% adhesion.

Failing that how about putting stickers on then re laquering so that the laquer holds down the stickers.

Be carefull if you were using aerosols as the solvent content is very strong and you may get solvent reaction against the crinkle Finnish.

I've done this before using a 2k laquer which is thicker and less potent than aerosol.
You got a pic of what your trying to do mick ?? Be good to see.send me a pm if you want any info.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 29, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
Never used crackle before.

I've sprayed the gray/silver bit in the centre of the cover and I'm waiting for it to dry/cure.

I'm going to spray the underside where it can't be seen and see what it's like with lacquer on and if I can rub it down so the vinyl will stick.

I'm hoping that it comes out well and then I will have a go at the rest in crackle black?

New skills always needed.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 30, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
One of the problems is that the crackle paint needs baking to cure it but the cover won't fit in the oven, at least that stops divorce if I tried it so I've used a heat gun to cycle it a couple of times.  Where it was too wrinkled I've rubbed it down.
Next step is to give a top coat freshen it up.  I'll cure it again and then leave it in the sun ( well shade if we only get cloud cover ) and then give it several light flick coats of lacquer so it will dry quickly to build up a thickness.  I should be able to rub this down when I have built up a thickness so the vinyl stickers will stick.  Haven't decided between matt or satin finish yet.

Anybody else got any ideas?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 03, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
Engine cover now sprayed crackle red and crackle black, just giving it 24 hours to cure before the stickers go on. ( they arrived today ) then some pictures.

The CF vinyl film arrived today as well.  It's not as bright and sparkly as the dip but it's very close.  Just waiting for the Aero kit now and it can all go on together.  Again pictures when it's done.

Have you ever tried using an aerosol spray can with the nozzle facing your hand?  A crackle black hand is  not good.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 04, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
Madman.
 Radio on it's way via Hermes.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on June 04, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
Excellent Mick Thanks
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 04, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
Engine cover.

As previouse post engine cover sprayed with crackle paint.  The black is a lot easier to get a decent finish on than the red.   Tried to put the vinyl stickers on but they won't stick to crackle paint.  Hmmm, problem.

Idea.  Try the adhesive that I have for applying gold leaf.  A coat of thinned down adhesive and put it back on the paint so some is transferred.  Recoat the vinyl and wait for 5 or 10 minutes for the adhesive to dry ( stays tacky ).  When it's dried off (gone clear) press the vinyl down in place and rub it down into place.   To give a better stick I rubbed over the vinyl with a rounded carpenters pencil ( soft lead and no sharp edges ).  Then carefully removed the upper layer of film, and smooth over the sticker again.

Step back and admire the result.  I know it's good 'cost the wife likes it.  I'll leave it a couple of days for the adhesive ( which I suspect is just PVA) to fully dry and then I'll give it a coat of clear acryic lacquer to stick it all together.

I know it's not like any particular Ferrari but how many people know what a Ferrari California engine looks like but the cover is definatly not like a Merc SL.

Pic 1). Finished cover
Pic 2). Just the red centre piece painted.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on June 04, 2015, 07:13:43 PM
Looks great buddy :)

Be careful leaving the paint too long before laquering as you will have lost the adhesive time.paint has a flash off time limit normally and once that's passed you need to rub down or re key the paint again before applying laquer or it will just peel and flake off especially if it's getting hot.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 04, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.  If I leave it too long, as you say I loose the flash time but if I do it too soon the adhesive won't be completely dry.  The last paint in the areas I'm going to lacquer was yesterday morning so I think tomorrow should be OK but it depends on how the glueed areas feel.  The rough surface of the crackle paint should help with keying.  I can't rub down as that would remove the stickers.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: rudycob1 on June 04, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Looking good mate.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 08, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
Madman

PM sent.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on June 08, 2015, 03:14:12 PM
Madman

PM sent.
PM not received, could you email? Cheers
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 22, 2015, 12:50:30 PM
The Eagle Has Landed.  Aero kit back from Wicked Coatings in Poole.  As usual a brill job.  DNA tied up for three weeks so I'll have to wait for it to be fitted.  Not to worry as I have plenty of small jobs to do.

A step nearer my vision.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 01, 2015, 11:04:26 AM
If you look back at this build thread and the SL Revelation thread you will see that I had a long term problem with the rear battery going flat in a short time.  The battery was going flat because the heater fan would switch it's self on and off when it felt like it.  Even to the extent that even with the rear battery removed ( which is the one that powers the fan) if you switched the ignition on the fan would run for about 5 seconds.

After some brilliant work by John at WMD it's finally been sorted.
The wiring for the A/C bus runs through the engine bay inner bulkhead along with some of the wireing for the ECU " waking up" sequence that turns on such things as the brake by wire pump.  What John found was that the wires had chaffed so that signals were running about everywhere.  Each wire insulated and the bundle "anti chaffed" .   All sorted.  I can now drive with the roof up or down and the heater and A/C on or off to suit myself rather than freeze or roast.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 20, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
Been down to DNA today.  Aero kit now on.  Photos as soon as it stop raining.

One step nearer the dream.  Next jobs, temp wiring of the aux lights behind the grill.  Temp as they will be worked by a relay linked into main beam not the full PC control, that's an over the winter job.

At the fantastic Doncaster show one of the 430s had some very special wheels but I can't remember who.  They were diamond turned and the diamond bit lacquered in a bronze colour but I can't find any body local to do that for me.  Diamond cutting no problems but the bronze is a bit of a problem.  Back to Google.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on July 20, 2015, 09:52:36 PM
Call me tomorrow Mick my man can powder coat and tint the laquer and diamond cut.

Make it around 1230 as I'm on crutches and may not be in til late morning.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 20, 2015, 10:02:51 PM
Great.

On crutches?  Not been kicking the cat again have you?

Speak to you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on July 20, 2015, 10:16:35 PM
Lol no mate I've dislocated my knee and stretched the ligaments.still can't walk yet without crutches so a long sore few weeks :(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 20, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
So it's in a sling then.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 11, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
I've often spoken about Burntwood, the pothole capital of England, I noticed a flat spot on one of the rims.  Took The Furrari to J P Alloys in Cannock who checked all the rims.  It seems I have three buckled rims not one.  The Furrari should be back in time for the Stafford show this weekend with diamond cut spokes and re sprayed black bits.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 11, 2015, 06:19:14 PM
I'm taking the opportunity of painting the garage floor while The Furrari is away.  Slate gray concrete paint.  It looks as if it would make a good undercoat for those of you who want to paint their cars red.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on August 11, 2015, 09:32:13 PM
I'm taking the opportunity of painting the garage floor while The Furrari is away.  Slate gray concrete paint.  It looks as if it would make a good undercoat for those of you who want to paint their cars red.  :-)
           I already have 500ltrs of the stuff for future RED cars ;) ;)
MADMAN ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 14, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
Picked The Furrari up tonight with the diamond cut wheels.  Too dark to take pics and it's p******g down anyway.  They look awesome.  Forecast is for sun tomorrow so I hope to get some pics.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 18, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
As promised a couple of pictures of my referbished wheels.  I've had the black bits done in a metalic black ( Ford US Tuxedo Black ). This may have been a mistake as their not as sparkly as I wanted in the sun and in shade make the wheels look dusty.
Overall I think they're pretty good and make a mundane set of wheels look a bit special.  The pictures don't do them justice, probably due to the limitations of using an iPad to take the pictures.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2016, 03:17:22 PM
Not had anything new to post for a bit.
Had the Furrari remapped by Celtic Tunning from Cornwall yesterday.  Not a lot of difference on part throttle, which I'm happy with.  Kick Down is a different mater.  Definatly quicker.  Revs higher in the gear ( only need second to break the speed limit.) exhaust in Kick Down is louder and sharper.  Sounds good.
Speed limiter removed so I can truthfully say top speed is 198 mph.
Money well spent, I can recommend Celtic.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2016, 03:26:11 PM
Forgot to say the man was a bit confused, he came to remap a Merc and I rolled a Furrari out of the garage.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 23, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
Not sure where to put this and I don't want to mess with any body else's thread.

Have you ever had a brake problem.  My cuz' in America sent me this.

One of his customers came into the shop saying he had done his brakes himself but had a funny sound since then.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 24, 2016, 08:45:07 AM
I was distracted by the general poor state of all the components, then I noticed the pads.  One's been installed with the pad material against the disc and the other with the steel backing against the disc.  Not noted for its braking effect.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Vertematidog on May 24, 2016, 02:07:26 PM
Reminds me of the time when i was a Motorcycle Mot tester. A guy brought his Harley in for a test and got a bit snotty with me when i failed it on the brake pads. " Cant have he said,i only fit them yesterday ". When i pointed out he had fit them both with the steel to the disc he dissapeared and never brought it back for the retest ! Wonder why ?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on May 24, 2016, 08:09:02 PM
On the bright side.......it would be an awfully long time before it wore out  :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 25, 2016, 12:35:17 PM
Info for all SL drivers.

I've just had a COMAND message that I needed a new battery in the key fob.  I don't know how to post a uTube link but if you look under "Mercedes key fob battery replacement " you can find details.  It's not difficult providing you have three hands.

Have fun folks.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 02, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
Engine bay upgrade
I don't normally post unless the job is finished, just in case I don't like it and don't bother.
The Furrari engine bay is still very Merc. so it's time for a bit of bling.
I've had a go at the engine cover with transfers but it's still (a lot ) naff, but more on this later.
The F131 engine uses air mass sensors but the Merc doesn't.  "proper" ones are expensive and won't fit anyway so I going to have a go at makeing my own.
First job is to design them.  I've been using CAD for over 30 years, only 2D but this needs 3D.
I looked at a number of 3D design programs.  Most are either crap, difficult to use or expensive (by expensive I mean that you have to by them).
I've decided on OnShape because it's free if you leave your designs in the public domain, although if you save the designs as private it's £1,200 a licience per year.
I've done my first design, an air mass sensor housing.

And here it is
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on July 03, 2016, 06:06:33 PM
Well done. I may take a set of you when you finally get them made
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 04, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
Sure Kal, no problem.

You wait 'till you see what else I've got planed if this 3D stuff works.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 06, 2016, 11:05:46 AM
The problem with going to shows is that you see what others have done to solve the same problem you have.  Looked at Rocos' 430 and I've had a minor redesign on the cable adaptor.  Work stopped on that until the bits arrive.
Won't be the same as Roco's but just pinching a bit of the idea, but I don't know the sizes of the bits till they arrive. 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 10, 2016, 10:47:07 PM
Just discovered that I'm using an American program for my 3D CAD and it sends the files for printing in inches.  European printers work in mm so you end up with a print one 25th the right size.  Scrubbed the drawing and did it in mm.
Bits arrived Saturday, measured them and finished the drawings.  Sending them for a quote on Monday morning.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 13, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
Quotes in for first part and a pair of bodies ordered.
Prices vary considerably, from £6 each with free carriage to £24 each and £16 carriage.  Who wants to guess which one I'm going for.

I could have built these from a bit of tufnol and pipe bonded together but this is about leaning to work with 3D CAD and 3D printing and finishing for other projects I have in mind if it works.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on July 13, 2016, 10:41:53 AM
Hi Mick.
          good luck with the 3D printing hope it turns out okay.

there be no stopping you now looking forward to seeing you at the show in November take care.

                                                          John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 17, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
My first 3D CAD design and print are back.

The 3D printing shows in the surface but a bit of wet and dry followed by a self levelling epoxy called XTC-3D has produced an unbelievable finish.

Cable adaptor will go off for printing tomorrow.  Then comes the hard ones, the engine covers.

Pictures of the two bits that are back.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 18, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Just a picture of the one mass sensor body to show the finish.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 18, 2016, 04:33:36 PM
I've held off sending the cable adaptor away until I built the sockets so I can see how deep the socket need to be.
The socket consists of the body, two half housings and the outer gaiter.
I cut the terminals off the back of the body, there's nothing connected to them.
I tinned the half housings and held them to the body with moles while I soldered them together, then used a cutting disc on the dremel to cut them down to about 18/19mm.
These slide back into the gaiter which I cut to about 21/22 mm long.

Now I know how long the cut down socket is a can make the cable adaptor 30mm high to give me room to get the head of the screw inside that will join the body to the air tube.

The last picture shows the amount of room saved and the five pin audio plug that will fit into the socket in the cable adaptor.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 23, 2016, 09:19:26 AM
Well this 3D stuff isn't going well.
To recap. The first person I tried to use had the engine cover had it two months and did nothing.  The second company wanted silly money for the job.  The third did a good job at a good price but is proving too difficult to contact, get quotes from etc.
As Steve ( Madman) said, you use a third party you always get this problem using third parties.
So I have ordered myself a 3D printer.
The learning curve of 3D CAD and printing should be fun.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on July 23, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
just seen this thread.. :-)  I have owned a few 3d printers, built a couple too.  Let me know if you need any help.

Which printer have you gone for in the end?  I currently have a XYZ DaVinci 1.1 plus but I've ripped the guts out of it and running ramps 1.4 board in it at the moment with a bowden extruder to reduce the weight on the X axis.

Thanks,

Steve

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on July 23, 2016, 02:59:37 PM
Of course you are Steve....just like I would have done !!   :o
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 23, 2016, 06:16:15 PM
Steve.
I speak two languages.  English and gibberish.  Your last post on here was the later.

I have gone for a CTC
Good bed size. ( I like a big bed 'cos there's room for the cats)
Good bed and extruder temps.
Twin extruders.  I don't know if I need them but I have one or two ideas which I might try eventually.
Arrives built.  I struggle with flat pack furniture, let alone something complicated.
It's frame is a box so I should have less problems with temp control.
Looks good value for money.

If I get stuck I will most definatly call for help.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on July 23, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
The CTC looks a decent enough printer plus lots of support for it.  I've always wanted a dual extruder, you will have to let me know how you get on.

I print in both PLA and ABS depending what I want to do. I mostly design everything up in Autodesk Inventor.

Once you have it all dialled in you end up printing lots of crap on it.. lol

I'm sure you will master it with ease.. :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 23, 2016, 10:55:26 PM
Steve.
I'm using two CAD programs.
Onshape because it's the way to go long term.
Freecad because it's very simple to do shapes but won't handle text or assemblies.
This learning stuff is fun.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on July 24, 2016, 08:28:52 AM
Good morning Mick

a friend of mine who works at Pinewood studios told me that the James Bond car that was blown up outside his old house. I

think it was quantum of solace not sure if I have spelt that right, The parts for the car were built on a 3-D printer, so there you

go. if they can do it. I'm sure you can have fun

                                              8)  8)                  John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 28, 2016, 11:23:43 AM
Well I've printed my first self designed and printed 3D part.  I've made it in a material called PLA which may not be able to take the heat in the engine bay but is easy to print.
For now I'll just tape it in place where it will finally be placed to see how it copes with the heat over the week end at Donnington ( my thanks to the Stratos club for inviting us to share their stand)

Photos next week of the design, the printed part and the fitting.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 03, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
hi Mick

Went to a car show Saturday and there was a grey West Coast took some photos of the engine. Thought you might be interested

                                                     8)  8)    John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CodeGeek on August 03, 2016, 09:57:28 PM
Was it the westcoast from the video on the dna website?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 04, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
Hi Simon

            Yes it looks like the one on the DNA website found out he lives a couple of miles away from me, as far as I know it was built by DNA for a customer, who after a while sold it and the new owner bought it, I had a chat with him Saturday and it looks as though he will join the DNA owners club.

                                      8)  8)     John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: The slug on August 04, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
But where is all the pink overspray!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CodeGeek on August 04, 2016, 01:43:27 PM
I saw it for sale on webpage just after it was built by DNA, the owner was asking for 40k+  if i remember correctly.    Nice car , I'm a big fan of the gunmetal  gray cars.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 04, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
hi slug

What do you mean where is all this pink overspray, the red car you see in the pictures is my car and it is red Ferrari red the pictures were taken at 8 o'clock at night, it could be the flash that makes it look pink or it might be the reflection of your pink pyjamas on your laptop.
                                                 8)  8)    John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 04, 2016, 08:13:13 PM
I think this grey car was built for Stoneman.  He gave the build instruction to Brian. "Just like Micks"
I don't know why he sold it.

The transfer down the middle of the engine cover is like mine, although it may have changed the next time it's seen in public as I'm doing a new engine cover.  ( details on "Furrari build " soon.)

The comments about the pink paint are about Ian the Slugs car.  All the wiring and electric plugs were covered in pink overspray.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 07, 2016, 04:02:07 PM
JJ. How did you know I wear pink pjs.  They're not realy pink, they just look it 'cos they're pictures of Animal from the Muppets.  No I'm not going to post a picture.

The pink reference is about Ian the Slugs car where all the wiring is covered in pink overspray.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 07, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
With all the new 250 GT builds going on I thought I'd better update the work on The Furrari.

I've posted what I'm doing for the mass sensors but I've stopped that to do some longer lead time jobs started that all need to be finished before paint on the engine.

I ran some 3D prints off of the word "Ferrari" and took them to Donington.  Not too well received as they were viewed as too small and too light and the wrong text.

A good ten seconds research on the web revelled that there is a very similar text to the Ferrari script called FERRO CORSA.

First picture is the script on the lap top.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 07, 2016, 04:18:21 PM
The script as printed.

The print bed is supposed to be able to handle prints 220 long, these are 215 so right on the limit.  It's a cheap Chinese knock off and doesn't like printing right to the edge of the bed.

After letting the bed cool ( it runs at about 100C and the plastic at about 230C )  I put some duct tape along the top to hold it all together at the right pitch while I was positioning it on the engine cover.

I think the foreshortening effect is because it's been messed with by my iPod.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 07, 2016, 04:25:59 PM
To keep the spacing right I used the duct tape on the upper half of of the letters to flap over some tape on the cover and cut a template out with a scalpel.  This is my second attempt.  If you had seen the first you would see why a became an engineer and not a surgeon.

I've spent two days sitting in the sun in the garden with some needle files removing all the layer marks off the edges of the letters, and filled them with a soft, easy sand resin.

Yes I know the "I" is missing.  I think a chicken ran off with it.  I print a new one tomorrow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on August 07, 2016, 06:49:43 PM
Mick, sounds like there should be pictures with this....there ain't though!!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 07, 2016, 07:02:59 PM
Sir P.

You're right there should be.  They left my iPhone but seem to have run off.

I'll try adding them again.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: The slug on August 08, 2016, 11:02:05 AM
Font and Size looks much better Mick (You did ask what I thought!)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 08, 2016, 01:26:12 PM
Ian.

I welcome all ideas, advise and comments.  I may think " that's a daft idea, that's a silly way of doing that or even what's he smoking" but keep them coming folk, that one good idea may be just the one I'm looking for even if I didn't know it before.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 08, 2016, 01:26:56 PM
Hi Mick
         when user were at the car show last November your pink pyjamas have your chickens on one side and on the other side was little pussy's or should I say cats,
have a great time with the printer. Looking forward to seeing the next instalment take care,

                                         8)  8)     John James
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 09, 2016, 12:56:42 PM
The 3D work progresses.
This one is straight off the printer.   Due to the fact that the printer won't cope with prints as long as I need I'm putting it in the middle of the centre strip on a plinth similar to the 360, and bars filling in the rest of the section.

I did think of putting a cat in the middle, but that's silly.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on August 09, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Looking good Mick
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on August 09, 2016, 08:00:49 PM
There used to be a pub at Burford called the rampant cat.....
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Georgelooney on August 09, 2016, 08:22:49 PM
Hi Mick are you selling those shields by any chance? If so how much?

Thanks
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 09, 2016, 10:13:44 PM
Sir P.  There's one in Bloxwich ( near Walsall) called the drunken cat.

George.  I would hold fire for now as I am waiting to see how they hold out in the temperature as I have had trouble printing a more temperature resistant plastic.
The 3D community would call these a good print.  To me they are just a starting point with regards to finish etc.

If you just want one let me know the size you want and PM your address and I'll run you one off.  I'm into such a steep learning curve that I can't charge you for it
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Georgelooney on August 10, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
Very generous of you Mick
It's the shield for a 430 engine cover, will pm my address and measurements tomorrow

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 11, 2016, 10:38:15 AM
Oh dear, Beemaman is on holiday for three weeks so I I'll have to wait for him to come back to see if he'll paint my engine cover.

This gives me to ponder over the colour layout.  The air boxes crackle black and the centre bit crackle red.  That's a given.  But the raised bits?

The air box text.  Do I do it in an aluminium finish or gold leaf.  I've also seen a Chevy with black engine castings with the details picked out in yellow.

The centre bit. Again I have the options of aluminium or gold leaf for the ribs but what about the shield edge, the horsey bit and the infill of the shield, remembering that the centre is a hollow matrix from the 3D print.  Do I pick out the horsey in yellow and fill in the shield in black.

What do you lot think.

Given the cost of producing the shield I suppose I could do several and see how they look.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on August 11, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
Don't you be disrupting Beemaman's schedule....he has mine booked in for the 12th, after his hols.....just saying   ;)

Hammerite will be OK on your engine cover...... ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on August 11, 2016, 06:20:04 PM
No probs Mick give me a shout when I'm back :) don't worry all ile safe enough of me for all of you lol :)

Percy happy to be doing your Cali my first one :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 11, 2016, 06:43:27 PM
Hi Mick just been on Google and types in,   Ferrari California engine pictures.    There's a good selection here are a few
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on August 11, 2016, 06:50:20 PM
Hi Mick John James again, not sure how or where it come from, but there is a picture of Bob and Teddy,
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 11, 2016, 11:50:01 PM
Thanks JJ.

It's not so easy to convert a Merc to a Furrari, so it's just a generic Ferrari style.  The printer won't produce a long enough print to its a case of seeing what it will do.
I'm hoping to run off several alternatives before Knebworth to get a few opinions.  Beemaman's on holiday so no panic.

See you at Knebworth.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on August 12, 2016, 12:04:44 PM
No probs Mick give me a shout when I'm back :) don't worry all ile safe enough of me for all of you lol :)

Percy happy to be doing your Cali my first one :)

I'm more than happy too Wayne....I think there may be plenty more coming your way...get a nice tan, cause you may be in the booth for quite some time when you get back   ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Dock Green on August 12, 2016, 07:52:22 PM
Have I missed something here - are you going to do an engine cover for the 2Fifty?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on August 12, 2016, 09:01:11 PM
Nah, Micks doing an engine cover for his West Coast......and Wayne is going to paint it....and Wayne is painting my whole 2Fifty....c'mon keep up    :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Dock Green on August 12, 2016, 09:41:47 PM
Sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 14, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
My first go at gold leaf.   The shield is 50mm wide but  I don't think my preparation was good enough as I only rubbed down with 320 wet and dry, for the rest I'll use 600.

I've done two of these.  One will stay with the back background but it will be a self levelling gloss and the other will be filled with self levelling yellow.  Hope to have it done for Knebworth for comments.

Having see the post on here the odd shape is caused by the formatting of the site.  Sorry about that, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 18, 2016, 08:32:22 PM
I'm narrowing my options.
The shield with the yellow infill looks naff.  If I'd started with yellow filament it might have looked OK, but with a black base looks dreadful.  This is now relegated to the experimental pile.  I've tried gold sparkly nail varnish on the horsey bit on top of the gold leaf.  That looks better.
The one with black infill looks better but still not what I was looking for.  With the nail varnish on I think it will look OK.  So that's sorted (I hope)

Now the text and the bars.  Again the yellow looked dreadful on the bars, so that's out.
I've tied silver leaf and gold leaf.  The gold is out because it doesn't look original ( on the shield it does look good) I'm not sure about the silver leaf on both the text and the text with levelling resin on it.  I think I'll try aluminium paint tomorrow and see how that looks against the leaf.

How have the rest of you done the "casting" on your engine covers ( 360 and 430). I know what I want, I just don't know how to do it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 24, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Can't remember who wanted a picture of my diamond cut wheels (it's an age thing).

But here it is.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 30, 2016, 04:32:15 PM
The engine cover.

Consensus at Knebworth was that the aluminium finish was the best for the engine cover raised casting bits but that the hybrid Merc/ Ferrari badge on the front half of the cover had to go.  The final decision will be made next week when I see Beemaman, but I am leaning towards a plinth with the car details on as this will save having to get the cover totally flat.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 14, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Bad news.  Set back on the engine cover job.  I bought a cheap 3D printer which in fairness gave me a good print.  As I've tried to print bigger items its failings ( Chineese Engineering) have become apparent.

After many attempts to fix the problems it goes back tomorrow.

Good news.  The new one, a couple of generations later in design, is due for delivery today.  I hope to get the changes I discussed with Wayne done the week after Lotherton Hall and over to him for a coat of paint.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 23, 2016, 10:48:10 AM
Doing a bit of work around the back of The Furrari and I noticed a strange thing.  The diffuser wing is backwards.
Think of an aircraft wing.  The curved surface is at the top and the thicker part at the leading edge.  All this produces a laminar flow over the wing producing lift.  The diffuser wing has the thinner edge at the front.  This makes the required laminar flow stall producing turbulence.  No wonder the back of the car is always covered in muck.

The cheapo printer has been replaced with a much better one and I'm in the process of trying to make an extra diffuser wing but it's a very difficult job so time will tell if I can. ( it's a compound curve in fresh air)

Photos will be posted of the job if it works.  Non if it doesn't so I don't look a plonker.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 28, 2016, 07:02:49 PM
I'm running several jobs at once.  At the moment I'm printing a new diffuser wing.

I'm printing it in 2" sections so I can follow the shape of the existing wing, fix it together and send it for CF dipping.

This is the wing section I'm using.  Front to back its 4" and 1/2" thick.  It's attack angle will be about 30 degrees, a bit steep but it follows the angle of the existing wing.

The new printer produces a very good print but is pitifully slow, this 4" X 2" X 1/2 piece taking two hours to print.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 29, 2016, 05:13:13 PM
Four of the diffuser wing sections printed together.
One has lifted off the bed, not a problem on this occasion.  Eight hours to print this lot.  It takes twice this many to just do the centre section.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2016, 10:46:56 AM
I taped up the centre section of the existing diffuser wing and tried to clamp the new bits to it.
Oh bugger.  I have loads of G clamps ( as you do) but they are all too big to get between the existing wing and the body.

No problem if you have a 3D printer, you print some.  Found some on Thingiverse and printed 3 off.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Dock Green on September 30, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
I'm amazed they're strong enough. 3D printing seems like a solution to most things (except gaffer tape & WD40)!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2016, 01:47:30 PM
DC.   They're not particularly strong but you can control the strength by controlling the degree of infil.  You don't need them too strong as they are only holding the bits in place while you bond them together.  If the clamps exert too much pressure they will crush the other bits.
The agvantages are that they are very light, you can make them just the size you need so they don't get in the way and material costs are just pence.
Once you have the size you want saved you can print as many as you want.  Time is the biggest drawback but you can print them overnight.

Yes, you can print just about anything.  The Chineese are using extruded concrete to print houses.  The wing mirrors on the West Coast were printed before being finished for moulding.
I'm currently using ABS but there are many other materials such as wood fill, glow in the dark, flexible materials with different charactors.  You can get transparrent and metal finishes and more filament types are being added all the time.
Additive manufacturing is a very rapidly growing sector but at the moment it's only realy suited to one offs or small numbers.  The Americans are looking at part printing missiles and drones.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2016, 04:28:37 PM
DC.     Oh I forgot to say with regards to print strength.  The prints tend to fail by shearing along the layer lines so you can also control the strength by how you orientate the print in the printer.

For an old metal basher like me it's a new world.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2016, 06:42:31 PM
DC. Just had an email advert for a new printer.   Printers are now available 4m X 4m X 100m   Yes 330 feet long.  Won't fit in the garage so I didn't look up the price.  :-)

It can print at 2 Kg/hour.   Mine manages about 15gm/hour.   Your previous comment about being able to print anything seems to be right.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 30, 2016, 06:54:34 PM
Drawn up what will be the centre support for the new wing.  Although the final wing won't use them I'll print five so I can get the distance from the existing wing to the new one consistent on the final job.  I just haven't worked out how I'm going finally mount it yet.  I have a few ideas.  The beauty of 3D printing is if I don't like them they only cost pence to make and no effort at all.

A couple of views of the support.  It's 20mm wide, tapering to 6mm.  50mm tall by 50 mm deep.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 01, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
Just a pic of the five wing supports.  As I said earlier I expect only one of these to be used on the final job, the rest are just to set the wing height relative to the existing wing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on October 04, 2016, 09:14:51 AM
I don't know all this technology, next thing someone will be printing a wife off. ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 04, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
Kal.   Replicas of people can already be printed,  it's just a case of how big your printer is.

Two Kals, what a frightening thought.  :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 04, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
I've started to bond the bits together.  Covered the centre of the existing wing in masking tape and put the wing sections on one at a time.  I've got a 3D doodle pen (£10.00 off eBay). Makes a good plastic equivalent of a tack weld ( it came with the pink filament.)

The second pic is better view of the new wing.

It's now been removed and the other face bonded.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 09, 2016, 03:47:46 PM
Pic 1). Offered up the centre support to a scrap bit of wing, just to se what it looked like.  And I didn't like it.  It looks unfinished.

Pic 2). So I designed, what I can only call a socket.

Pic 3). And printed it off.

Pic 4). The socket and upright.

Pic 5). The assembly placed back on the scrap bit of wing.  That's better.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Dock Green on October 09, 2016, 04:36:00 PM
I agree,  much better.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on October 09, 2016, 04:45:34 PM
Yep, much smarter and more factory.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 10, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Wing sections bonded together on one side against a piece of lath to give a more consistent curve.  In hindsight perhaps I should have done it this way to start with.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 10, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
Well I've filled all the joints on both sides, and I don't like the way it feels.  It feels a bit light and flimsy to an old metal basher like me. 
The wing design has a hollow passageway right through from end to end so I will a 6mm hole into this channel on every other section and fill it with sikaflex.  No sikaflex in so some on order, that will slow me down for a couple of days. 
Who was it ( on another thread ) saying about planning ahead.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 12, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Just a little job while I'm waiting for the  Sikaflex for the diffuser wing to arrive.
There is a gap between the fibreglass rear panel and the original Merc bumper bar.  I've lost my best snipe nose pliers down there and JJ lost his hearing aid down there.   I've tried to take a pic but it's matt black on matt black so you can't see it.

I've got some soft black rubber extrusion intended to be part of a front splitter with a self adhesive stip on one face.  Cut it to length and stuck it over the gap.

Just one pic of the end of the section.  The red bit on one edge is the adhesive strip.  Unfortunately it still can be seen when the extrusion is in place because it's mounted 180 degrees from its intended use.  I'll splash some black paint on it next time I've got it out.

JJ is safe now.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on October 13, 2016, 07:51:48 AM
Brilliant ... that's doing it like you mean it :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 13, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
The sikaflex has arrived.  I changed my mind a bit on filling the wing.  I drilled holes in each section rather than just every other section.  Then a second row into the front chamber.  I pushed a couple of welding rods through each section for a bit of extra strength. ( note to self, if I do anything like this put the rods in as you build it not afterwards )

I've squirted the sikaflex into each section until it came out of the next one and so on for both chambers.

I can now see why this stuff is regarded as the automotive equivalent of baby poo.  What a mess, I even used three pairs of gloves to try and keep the stuff under control.

No pics as it looks just as it did, except it's covered in sikaflex.

I'll leave it to set for a couple of days before offering it up to start mounting it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 15, 2016, 06:21:15 PM
Offered up the new wing.  And didn't like it.

Decided to raise it 25mm and reduce the attack angle to 20 degrees.
If you cut an oval on an angle you get funny shapes so I drew and printed a jig thing to hold the supports at a constant angle. ( Picture 1 ).  Seems to work well ( pictures 2 )

Using the jig thing ensures that all the spacers are the same length and at the same angle.  The first time you use it it changes to a mitre block.

The third pic shows the wing roughly in place.  It looks a bit odd because the car is so nose down on the drive, on the road it looks a lot better.  Only the one centre support is in place so ignore the funny angle it's at.



Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on October 16, 2016, 09:19:28 PM
Hi Mick I hope you're well,

If you go to channel DAVE HD on Wednesday at 8 PM. The programme is Jay Lenos garage, he will show you a car built on a 3D printer enjoy see you in November JJ
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 16, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
JJ.  Not surprised.  The biggest custom built printers I know about are 4M x 4M x upto 100M long, but I don't know about prices.  Given the speed mine prints at I dread to think how long it would take to print a car.

See you November.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 17, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
Back to the supports again.  As I said, when I offered the wing up I didn't like it so I made a jig to help me cut the supports down.  Picture 1 is what I ended up with after gradually reducing the height and angle.
The metal basher in me said "right, stick a socket on the other end and some filler to blend all the bits together ".
Wait a minute, I've got a 3D CAD program and a 3D printer, let's see what we can do.  Picture 2 is the basic design and picture 3 is the computer rendering of it.  Pictures 4 & 5 are the finished product.

Again in hindsite it would have been nice to print the centre support straight onto the wing section but I didn't know how high it would finally be, and I don't want to start again.

Another 4 supports to print and tack weld onto the wing then design the outer supports.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 24, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
Not been able to work on the car for a week as I put my back out moving a carpet.  (The light blue one in the pics)

Back on it again.

Just a little bit of work.

1). The five supports tacked in place.

2). The wing held in place with tie wraps so I can start the design of the intermediate mountings.  As before the nose down attitude of the car on the drive exadurated the angle of the new wing.

I'm on the third or fourth prototype of the intermediate mounting and hope to finish the design tomorrow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 29, 2016, 01:21:46 PM
I'm on my third version of the intermediate mountings.  The first looked more or less like plastic angle iron and was rubbish.  The second was better but didn't look factory.

Version three looks a lot better and I'm in the process of printing them.  Not entirely happy with the design as I can't get fillets where I wanted them to smooth the design out so I suppose it's back to a bit of filler and wet/dry stuff.  Each print takes close on six hours and there are four of them but at least I can watch the Grand Prix while its printing.

Pic 1). The design of the right hand mountings.
Pic 2). The design ready to print showing the supports needed as you can't print an overhang of more than 45 degrees.

I'll show the prints when they're done.

I was hopping to show the wing prior to painting at Shapton Mallet next weekend but at this point I haven't even worked our the end supports yet, let Designed and printed.

Before anybody comments I know it would have been easier to print the other way up but this would have put the print over a area where the extrusion won't stick to the bed very well.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on October 30, 2016, 01:05:13 PM
Left and right hand intermediate mounting tacked onto a scrap bit of wing.  The vertical strake of the existing wing will fit between them when it's all finished, but I hope you get the idea.  I've made the height of them so the horizontal part and its mounting flange continue the shape of the original wing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 02, 2016, 04:01:03 PM
The Mk2 version of the end mounting for the new diffuser wing done ( well one end anyway).

The Mk2 version has the little winglets on the end.  This finishes them off nicely ( in my biased opinion). It's only held on with double sided tape at the moment so that's the end of the work until after Shepton Mallet this weekend and then it's rubbing down and bonding the wing and end plates together and all off for paint.

Pic 1 & 2).  The CAD drawing on the computor.

Pic 3 & 4). The end plate/mounting fixed, just to the existing wing.  In the last Pic you can see the intermediate mountings as well.  These are also just fixed with double sided tape for looking at and thinking purposes.  As I said earlier, the pillar mountings are just temporary to get an idea of distances and angles.

I hope my dust extraction system ( a second hand vacuum off eBay) has arrived by then.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on November 02, 2016, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. Your skills are impressive. This is really beginning to look like something designed by a multimillion dollar team of designers. Testament to what we can achieve as individual makers - not without help of course, but still ...

This also provides insight into why prototyping takes soooooo long and costs soooooo much  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 02, 2016, 10:00:29 PM
Seriph.  Thank you for those few kind words.  Even using 3D printing instead of bits of metal it's slow work to produce.  Each modification and print takes a day each, but it's easy to change.  These are a couple of mods to do on the end strake of the winglets but that's after paint.

Looking on this forum you can see a very wide range of skills, outside their owners day to day occupation.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on November 05, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
Really nice looking prints them. Are you doing them out of PLA or ABS?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 05, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm using ABS.  A quick try before leaving for the Bristol show showed me that the body is slightly different side to side so I have a slight mod to do.  I was going to put a prancing horse on each end after paint but Tenpin has come up with the idea of doing the print with the shape of the horse sunk into the end plate and then puting the horse in after paint so it's flush.  In going to give that a try,just because I can.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 14, 2016, 01:17:42 PM
OH BUGGER.  What I thought was a jarred wrist just before the Shepton show has turned out to be a broken wrist so all physical work has stopped on the car.  Plus I have a cat show hall to manage in a week.
I can still use the computer to design some bits I was hoping to do after the diffuser and engine so I'll just bring them forwards.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on November 14, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Sorry to haer that mick
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 16, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
My new boot organiser has arrived from Bulgaria ( eBay, and no it doesn't come with an umbrella) The quality and look is superb.

I've asked if she can do one in black leather with yellow logo and text on.  That can go on the back seat thing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on November 17, 2016, 01:31:49 AM

So choice :)

https://youtu.be/GV2Y2kIUkIs
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 02, 2016, 08:10:39 PM
Only went down to DNA to show Ray who is building a West Coast for John ( don't know Surnames) some details on the Furrari.  John saw my boot organiser and thought it would suit his red with cream interior better than my black interior so he pinched it (yes he did pay for it ).  I'd better order a new one in black with yellow to match the back seat ones.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 02, 2016, 08:30:19 PM
It's just a lovely thing. I've searched but had no luck finding them on eBay. That cream leather is particularly nice but black would be stunning too. Makes me want to get a full set of fitted luggage for the 250 :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 02, 2016, 10:32:38 PM
Seriph.
I think the eBay number is Ri2389999930672BG.  It's under " boot organiser" but it's not listed.  eBay shows BMW, Merc etc so I just asked if she could do one for me with a Ferrari horse on.  When it arrived it was better than I expected with not only the horsey on but the Ferrari text as well. I was very impressed so I asked if she could do we two smaller ones in black with yellow stitching.  These are on their way to me and I'll post pics of them.
I'll measure up tomorrow to see if I can get them made up to fit with my suitcase in.  It's a pity I can't get my suitcase done as well.
If your ordering them, and want them the same they were ordered in my wife's name (Jill Coomer)
There can't be too many kit cars with bespoke lugage in.   :-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 03, 2016, 12:34:23 AM
Brilliant thanks! Does the name AVITON ring a bell?

It's weird that I don't know what I'll put in it but I want it regardless.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 03, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
Seriph.
AVITON?  Never heard of it..   The place I got mine from was MARIYANA2012-by.   Hope you can find her on that search.
Best of luck.

As a last resort I will ask her if she will ship to you and pay for them on my account.  Getting them here and then me shipping to you doubles the postage.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 03, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
No it's all good thanks mate - found her and the price is very good. That other name is the brand I think
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 07, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
My new, black bags have arrived from Bulgaia.  I've tried them in the car and they look bril.
I would like to take a picture of them in place with the roof down but when I broke my wrist I did a lot of tendon damage, it's not healed and is very sore so I'm not driving for a bit.
They sit on the back seat thingy with a space between them so the original horsey can be see.  I'll post a pic next time I have the car out ( which may not be until Santas been)

Those who want bespoke lugage in their Furrari, or who are just jealous or like Seriph and don't know what to put in them ( see Seriph's post of 3rd December) can get them from eBay.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on December 07, 2016, 03:33:41 PM
 Hi Mike the bag looks really  8) and good in black you've now got somewhere to keep your flask and sandwiches and don't forget the chocolate, and take care of your wrist, have a great Christmas JJ
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on December 07, 2016, 06:00:21 PM
My new, black bags have arrived from Bulgaia.  I've tried them in the car and they look bril.
I would like to take a picture of them in place with the roof down but when I broke my wrist I did a lot of tendon damage, it's not healed and is very sore so I'm not driving for a bit.
They sit on the back seat thingy with a space between them so the original horsey can be see.  I'll post a pic next time I have the car out ( which may not be until Santas been)

Those who want bespoke lugage in their Furrari, or who are just jealous or like Seriph and don't know what to put in them ( see Seriph's post of 3rd December) can get them from eBay.

             Aha, Mick, you are not driving due to your broken wrist that has not healed, so I am assuming Santa is bringing you a new wrist ;) ;)
Sorry I could not resist, hope it heals soon and can get back driving again. on the plus side if you cant drive, you cant be the designated driver this time of year ;D every cloud ;D ;D
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 07, 2016, 06:18:36 PM
Steve.  Ha ha.

No the broken part is OK.  The tendon part feels OK until I move it too far or too fast, then it realy hurts, (but then I've always been a wimp) so management said give up driving or working on the car for a bit and has set the date as Crimbal when I can start again.

The designated driver bit had not escaped my attention. :-)

She drives very well apart from parking in a car park.  Usually go round at least twice before picking a space and then makes a pigs ear of that ( leave it there and I move the rest.)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 07, 2016, 06:36:47 PM
Sadly they don't make other luggage. I've ordered a cream one the same as yours though. Do take it easy on your wrist mate - I've been out of action due to a table saw injury. Microsurgery was fascinating to watch but I'd rather it was on the telly and not my thumb :)

The black one is great too. Cream leather with cream horse and name would be lovely too I imagine.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 07, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
Seriph.
Mariyana will make this style in different lengths. The boot one was the standard length of 500 and the back seat ones are 420 long.
It's a pity she doesn't do other styles as I could see a suitcase in the future.  That would be epic.
Mick and the Furrari
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 07, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
Good to know mate. Sadly, I'm really struggling to understand her comms. For example: I received the message "do you want same as front or ad?" I just replied "I want the same as my friend's" and sent the pic of your cream bag again. I didn't know there were different lengths but as I am getting one "just coz" I don't really have a preferred size.

It's an adventure :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 08, 2016, 10:46:38 AM
Seriph.
I think she only lists the two sizes but with a selection of logos.  I just asked if she could do what she wanted, and you've see the result.
I going to order another one or two for the boot.  If I can get my suitcase in half the width of the boot I can have two to go up against the back panel and just move the one out of the way when I use a case.
Difficult to explain but you'll see pics if it works.
I bet her English ( Australian ) is better than your Bulgarian
It might help if you use our address ( Burntwood) as a reference so she can get our orders the same.

If you don't ask, you won't get.

Glad you like the bags.  This is the beauty of the Internet.  How else can somebody in Oz order what somebody in Brit has.

Mick.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 08, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
Still oh bugger.  Fractured wrist bone passed as healed ( very quickly it seems) but now I have to go to another part of the hospital about the soft tissue damage ( the squishy bits) that happened at the same time and aren't mending.

On the plus side, my rice steamer has arrived.  Why do I need a rice steamer?  You put your ABS 3D print in it with some acetone and use the heater to vaporise the acetone to smooth out the layering.  I can do that with just one working hand but I don't think I'll be cooking rice in it after that.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 08, 2016, 10:07:34 PM
So the negative of the injury gives you the time to work through a bunch of techniques to improve your chariot :)

As it should be!

I won't burden members with the progress pics of my thumb's various stages of healing. Suffice to say we are probably all familiar with the song: I fought the saw (3.5HP table) and the saw won. But the downtime enabled me to travel interstate to visit mum and the family :) enjoy the heat: 28-34 daily. And further my 250Cali research

... and I still have my thumb thanks to having a very well equipped hospital five minutes away from home :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 08, 2016, 10:14:56 PM
That black one looks brilliant too!

Once mine arrives I intend to check possibilities for designing/repurposing other luggage that can incorporate the product. I spoke with my leather suppliers (Aussie firms, Howe and Leffler leather. Howe supplies BMW) and they will advise if they can supply matching material.


Then it's off to explore boot dimensions of the Z3 and source some suitable old luggage for Refurb from charity shops.

Interesting times.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 08, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Yep.  I have a lot of design rejects to practice with.  Wife's away this weekend at a cat show so instead of a party I'll be boiling acetone ( in the garden ). The things you get up to in pursuit of perfecting n.

When it comes to saws and thumbs the saw usually wins.  That sounds painful.

I know what you mean about the lugage.  I won a leather coat on eBay for £8.00.  It's arrived but it's far too good to cut up for the next bit of interior work.  Any body want a size 12 leather coat.
Management said she will look at some old handbags to see if there is any black napa leather ones I can chop up for phases 2 & 3 of the rear seat thingy upgrade.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 08, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
This was made by me and the 'crocodile' trims were from a handbag I got for $5 from a thrift shop :) ... and I wouldn't have found it if my leather guys hadn't closed early. I love how 'errors' etc force greater creativity.

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/The%20Very%20Small%20Furniture%20Company/ABC3D/Box%20-%20Montage2_zps8t3x3nz8.jpg)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 08, 2016, 11:03:02 PM
I want a new box and make it snappy.

Very impressed, but then I sort of expect a high quality of work on this site.

I have some strange things repurposed over the years such as cat food bowls being used to house rear lights.  But that's what wakes it fun.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
I spend a lot of time repurposing stuff that people discard.

:)

For example, this "gasified" lantern was a liqueur bottle from the 70s just the copper and glass bit) that I grabbed for $5 from a charity shop.

BTW it works and is in our hallway .... which was ALL built from salvaged materials.


http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/Steve_Ansell/media/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/023_zpsqsng4xla.mp4.html?sort=6&o=13



Even the "second entrance" that leads into the rear extension was made from "waste" ... actually, waste should only ever be a verb I reckon. The "columns" are PVC downpipe and the "turnings" are wooden curtain rings with the centres ground out .... they conceal the fixing screws. Even made the door handle from scrap copper and brass. There is also an image below that contains a gramophone ... made it from scrap material and an old portable player that had been burned, so practically useless unless you're a monumental tightar5e like me!

OK back to cars! apologies for the OT post

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/E82E470A-A58F-4D5D-BCF8-6F8D618552C7_zpsvx03dcpu.jpg)

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/054FCDEF-A69B-4062-877E-87F04CB9B52F_zps5rvwhpld.jpg)

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/48DB77C9-34EB-4CD7-AE16-3B23A9A8C0C5_zps6wvno5j5.jpg)

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/Hall3_zps1887a8c0.jpg)

(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/C3C082D9-6038-4A32-9A3A-231B7F891149_zpsketacim7.jpg)


(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/AA%20Kilmore%20Renovation/Kilmore%20Hallway/Handle1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 10, 2016, 12:40:01 AM
That's not a house, that's a mansion.

I think my favourite repurpose was on my GTM.  I used a cut down ice cream box as a switch panel and storage box.  It was close to my knee and I wanted it to break if break if I hit it.  Covered it in alcantara with an LED in.  Looked great.  Man next door thought I was man when he saw me working on and I told him what it was for.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on December 10, 2016, 04:05:14 AM
Um thanks.  But the home is small on Aussie standards. Only 1600SF. I did most of the work to emulate a georgian style home but mostly it's just a 'nod' ... fun to do though and I do enjoy the oohs and aaahs from visitors. :)))))

The entire hall cost $1100 :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 23, 2016, 12:35:22 PM
JJ has badged his car as a Hamann.  I'm going down a different route.  I'm making, sort of, Novitec badges.  This is my inspiration.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 23, 2016, 02:36:29 PM
Please excuse the pic order, my iPad is drunk already.

Pic 2). The front of the new badge.  The whole badge will be carbon dipped.  The ROVITEC text will be filled in with yellow resin.  The area around the MODENA text will also be yellow resin with the text itself standing proud with the carbon on it.  The whole lot will be topped of with clear casting resin.  The edge will be chrome, silver or gold.
The rear badge will be the same.

Pic 3). The rear of the badge showing the locations and the bolt retainers to allow me to clamp it to the grill.  The rear badge will be the same but without the bolt retainers.  It will be bonded straight onto the lower diffuser wing.

Pic 1). Badge ready to go to print.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on December 23, 2016, 03:07:24 PM
The finished print has now been added to the "ready to be rubbed down" pile ready for when I get my plaster off in mid Jan.

As I wanted the best finish I could get to reduce the rubbing down work it took no less than seven hours to print.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 09, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
Well the plasters off and just a splint now.
Booked in for therapy ( no, just my wrist).  It'll be at least 12 months before it's wright and could be as much as two years.
The novelty has worn off.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on January 09, 2017, 12:08:00 PM
Very sorry mate. Sadly I can attest to the fact that commitment must be maintained to ensure full recovery. Your triathlon career may need to be revised
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 25, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
As my wrist is still painful and it's damn cold out side I've abandoned the jobs I need to do outside and am doing a bit of inside work.  How Kal built his car outside, in the winter I just don't know.

Seriph.  This will not affect my triathlon and Iron Man training one bit.

The original air hoses are a bit boring so I'll change them.

First stage is to cut (Dremel ) them into three pieces.
Although the rear part is 80 dia the front part changes to a funny shape immediately it leaves the hose part so any new hose won't fit properly, so it will need extending rearwards with an insert to fit the new hose.

I printed a new bit of hose so I could see how far I could move it up the rear part of the hose.

As there has to be a bit on each end of the new hose for the Jubilee clip and my printer has a maximum print height of 140mm it works out that I can extend the visible part of the front hose by 15mm, have the flexipart of the new hose 100mm long, the clip area 18mm long each end and still print the hose at 136mm long.

I've still got to fit the insert to the existing front part of the air hose but more of that when it's done.

Pic 1). The existing hose, cut into three.
Pics 2 & 3).  The new hoses.  Due to the limitations of the printer and the flexible material these take an unbelievable 21 hours each to print.  They're not purfect but I can play about with these later if I want to.
Pic 4 & 5). The inserts.  Why yellow?  All will be revealed later.
Pic 6). The assembly of hose and insert.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 25, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
Just bonded the insert into the original front part. (Pic later)  Masked it up first to keep the two part expoxy stuff from going on the text.  The bonding has to be done on the car to ensure the text is in top.
Covered in the stuf as usual, two pairs of gloves to keep control.
I thought I had some on my glasses.  Tried to clean them but I couldn't see anything on the lenses but still couldn't see properly.
I found it, it was on my eye lashes.  Just don't ask how it got there.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on January 25, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
What are you trying to do mick, buiding a rocket ?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on January 25, 2017, 07:30:36 PM
Two rockets by the look of it Kal.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on January 25, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
So bloody cool mate. Loving this thread
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 26, 2017, 09:46:04 AM
Talking to Kal last night I realised that, when the job is finished, I am going to have the appearance of a solid CF tube sliding over an aluminium casting.  This will look strange and impractical.  We thought it would look better if there was a coupling between the two.  So it's back to the drawing board for me.

Pics to follow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 26, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
If you look at the first Pic on post #622 you can see a recess in the rear part of the existing air pipe.  This is needed to miss part of the engine and can't be covered.  I need, allowing for location swages, about 17mm per clip.  The recess is about 36mm to 38mm from the end of the pipe so it will fit.
However there is only about 12mm land from the recess to the part of the pipe that will have to be cut away so an insert is needed to go into the pipe to give enough land for the jubilee clip.  Part of the engine cover spigot will also need to be cut back to allow the length of the front clip area to fit.

Now we have established the design parameters we can get on with the designs.

Kal was wondering why I'm doing this.  The answer is simple.  Because I can.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 27, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Thanks Seriph.  More fun than freezing your things off working outside.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 27, 2017, 03:42:07 PM
Just a couple of pics.
The insert for the rear of the two air pipes on the computer and the printed insert.
Why is this one yellow?  For a very good reason, it's what was in the printer.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 02, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
This is the bit (coupling ) that joins the rear insert to the spigot of the original air box and is the last bit in the original air hose.
There are three lugs on the air box spigot that need grinding off to get the new coupling to slide over the spigot.

You can see why I don't work for Merc.  I took a part that Merc did in one and converted it, including the clips into nine.  But my version does look better.  Just got to rub them down and spray them and then send all the visible parts over for carbon dipping.

Pic 1). The coupling as drawn on the computer.
Pic 2). The printed part
pic 3). The coupling mounted on the rear insert.  This is the bit in the previous post.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 02, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Going back now to July last year when my 3D CAD and printing started.  It has been a bit of a steep learning curve.

The first bit I designed and had printed was an air mass meter (replica).  I knew how I was going to attach it to the air pipe and that hasn't changed (M5 rivnut and screw) but I hadn't a clew how I was going to make it look right, thinking "I'll worry about that later"

The use of what the printing people call "exotic materials" such as flexible filaments have allowed me to design and print the solution.

There is no pic of the printed part itself as it's only 30mm dia. Just pics from the computer.

Pic 1). Is the inboard end.  The groove is where the body of the meter housing fits.
Pic 2). The outboard end.  The curved face mates up against the curve of the air tube.
Pic 3). A reminder of the replica meter.  These are the original prints that I had done for me.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 04, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
That's the first of the new air pipes in place.  It seems a lot of work for such a small improvement, but even Management said it does look better.  Less plastic was her description,  I think CF will lift it. The yellow bit will be black or CF in the final version.
I wanted red Jubilee clips,  Jubilee will do them but there is an MOQ of 10,000 so I'll give that a miss.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on February 04, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
Nice mate - will heat be a problem?

Also, maybe get a bunch of clips powder coated in the colour you want. Alternatively, because it might crack, perhaps explore red anodizing. I believe they'd be have to be plated in aluminium, then anodized, but maybe not. They'd certainly look nice. Actually as I'm typing this, I'm wondering if they're actually already available.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on February 04, 2017, 09:32:17 PM
http://www.superstreetonline.com/event-coverage/0803-turp-sema-2007/
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 04, 2017, 10:37:43 PM
Thanks Steve.  Unfortunately BDL Industries seems to have vanished.  I've used Stainless clips which can't be anodised but when I catch up with all the other jobs I may replace them with aluminium ones which I can anodise and dye.  Another skill to master.
Heat.  I don't think heat will be a problem as the solid bits are ABS, good to about 210 C and the flexible stuff to about 220 C.  The bay should not get above 85 C ambient and there should be cool air going through the pipe.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 04, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
Found some Duplicate color metalcast red on line.  Ordered a tin and I'll give it a go.

Thanks Steve.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 05, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
This 3D printing not only lets you build bits for your car, you can also make jigs so that left and right hand bits are mounted the same.
This fixture lets me drill a mounting hole in the air pipe horizontally matching on both sides for the mass air meter.
It's great when you can bash it out on the coarsest setting, knowing that your going to throw it away when your done.  The print is done in minutes rather than the hours the flexible takes.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 09, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Can't find my rivnut gun, I'll get a new one this weekend at the show. ( it wasn't very good anyway)
It's not all success.  The Air Mass Sensor and the cable adapter have mating flanges but they have warped slightly as they cooled when they were printed, so they need a gasket between them.  The black flexible filament (TPU) have worked well but I wanted a different colour.  I ordered a small sample of a flexible PLA filament.  Not good, it stuck to everything but the print bed ( even Prit and Elnet hair spray didn't work) so it's back to eBay to find some sone red or white TPU.

The one air pipe will be finished at the show this weekend.  Pictures to follow.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 09, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
First attempt at a finished badge.  Following the print using the flexible black TPU filament I thought I would have a go with another "exotic material" ( no, not the exotic material JJ keeps under his bed).

This time I thought I would have a go with aluminium.  YouTube did not give a good report on aluminium impregnated PLA so I bought some Aptofun.  It's very expensive at nearly £100 per kilo but you can buy a very small sample or half a kilo, and it did get a good review on the forum.

I've previously printed a new badge for the engine ( see my previous posts) so I have the design already ( the previous prints were iffy).  So I printed one off.  A very much better print than previous ones (ABS)

Filled in the recess with black nail varnish topped off with clear.  Sanded it all down and used a clear casting resin to give a domed finish.  If preferred this material can be polished.

It's not perfect, but not bad for a first attempt.  The final one will have the same finish as the rest of the engine cover. ( version 4) but more on this later.

Just a picture of the badge.  Don't forget this is a prototype.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 14, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
The Furrari calendar updated for Nov 3rd, 4th and 5th at the Bath and West Show Ground, Shepton Mallet.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 19, 2017, 12:53:54 PM
Why can't things be simple, one step forwards and two back.
When I made the bits for the air pipe I took my dimensions from just the right hand side pipe, expecting the LH one to be the mirror image to be the same.   It's not.  The front part is 5mm smaller diameter than the right and 15mm shorter from the front to the corrugations.  So I'll have to make a new one.  Thank goodness I've got my own printer.
The second step backwards.  The aluminium filament I started to use to make the new bits for the engine cover is no longer available so I'll have source some from somewhere else.  Reviews seem to be varied on the quality of the stuff.
Oh well, if was easy anybody could go it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on February 19, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
What's in the way, is the way. Man, the expertise you're developing! Sharing those insights are truly helpful to others seeking to achieve excellence. Thanks for being the (perhaps unwitting) pioneer!

:)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2017, 09:17:55 AM
Thanks Steve.   I seem to spend a lot of time, but very little effort with this printing thing.
There doesn't seem to be anybody whose done much of it before so it's not only a steep leaning curve but there isn't anything to compare my work with except what I did previously.
The time will come when 3D printing is as common as ink and paper printing is now, but for now.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 21, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
Hi Mick

You couldn't print me of a little wheel, that the missus lost from the microwave round tray thing. Its only running on two wheels and the moment and the third leg where the wheel is lost, is making a terrible scratching squeeking noise, I don't know how much longer I can last before I break. lol  :'(
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 21, 2017, 09:53:38 AM
Kal.  No problem, but "a little wheel" is slightly under-defined. 
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 21, 2017, 12:27:13 PM
That's the other air tube in.  Filling the joints and spraying is next.
What I have found is the air tubes are nowhere symmetrical.  The right hand side bends towards the centre of the car to miss the brake distribution unit and the left hand side one bends away from the centre of the car to miss the oil filter and oil cooler.  It's obvious once you've spotted it.

I recently had my eyes tested and it was confirmed I have perfect hindsite.

Just a pic of 'other side.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 23, 2017, 12:04:04 PM
I'll be glad when it's warm enough to work in the garden rubbing down, I don't want the garage full of plastic dust.

The last iteration of the engine cover stalled because the rear engine cover ribs were squint.  Recent progress in the 3D printing experience means that I'm going to redo the whole cover.

To this aim I have made some location jigs to hold the rib bars in place while they are bonded on.  The lugs on each end locate in the gap between the centre part and the air boxes.

Pic 1). The jig on the computor.
Pic 2). The jigs (upside down) with three ribs in it.  I'll use a bit of double sided tape to hold the ribs in place while they are sticking.  I'll put a weight on them to hold them down.

The supplier of the aluminium filament has some more on order but it will be ten days before it's sent.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 10, 2017, 08:57:03 PM
Air tubes and Novitec badges gone over to Stafford for dipping.  Should be about two weeks.  My aluminium filament arrived yesterday so it's back to prepping the engine cover for Wayne to paint.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on March 10, 2017, 10:15:12 PM
:)))))))))))))

Congrats mate!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 13, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
Rubbed down the front engine cover.  I've also been reading an article on the 3D forum about annealing ABS.  No wonder the cover is so hard to rub down, it's been annealing for the last 13 years.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on March 13, 2017, 07:59:26 PM
Annealing ABS? That's a new one! Must look into it
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 13, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
Steve.  The other widely used plastic in 3D printing (PLA) can also be annealed.  In both cases it's the same as annealing a metal.  The melting to produce the casting (moulding) or extrusion produces large crystals which have a weakness between them.  Heating the plastics to between the glass transformation and the melting point for a period of about an hour and then cooling slowly causes small grain structure with better strength between them.

Complicated isn't it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on March 14, 2017, 12:13:00 AM
Everything makes sense. Backwards ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 16, 2017, 08:27:50 AM
It's such a steep learning curve this 3D stuff.

Trying to do the raised, "cast" bits of the engine cover.  I've printed most of the bits but found that because of the way the printer lays down the extrusion you are left with a perimeter border and a pattern on the top of the print. Sanding it doesn't remove this as it's the structure of the print so I'm going to try using paint as a filler, ie take most of it back off, to try and give a smooth, pattternless surface.  It seems to work on small bits so here's hopping.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on March 16, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
Interesting to see when you can mate. Eternal prototyping :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 16, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Steve.   I like that.   Eternal prototyping.  I shall have to use that a bit.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 20, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
I came across this the other day.  A picture of the original Cavalino Rampant.   A bad hair day on the maine but the big change is the direction of the tail.  This was changed, I think in the ‘60s, to fit on a badge a bit better.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on March 20, 2017, 07:44:33 PM
Bloke looks a bit serious for someone with a cake on his head....Mario Berryio perhaps?   ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 20, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
That's not a bloke with a cake on his head, it's Count Thingy.  The interesting thing is the roundel on the plane.  Anybody know why the similarity.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 22, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
The air tubes are back.  Total different carbon look from what I asked for.  A much larger weave and a brighter gold/bronze colour.  The strange thing is that under the bonnet it looks better than the smaller weave.  I can see a couple of other bits being done in this.

No pictures until the engine cover is finished 'cos you can't see much difference in a picture.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 09, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Getting there.  Paint next.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 14, 2017, 11:30:32 AM
Brian has just phones to say the covers are painted and I can pick them up Tuesday.

I think I will have to touch up some of the aluminium as the masking tape will pull off some of the silver enamel.  Now I've got to decide what to do the air pipe extensions under the main engine cover.  I'm tending towards the bright CF dip that the front air pipes are finished in, but I'll decide this later.

No pictures yet but it can be seen at Stoneleigh.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 19, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
Picked up the engine cover from DNA.  I've removed some of the aluminium paint with the masking tape so this will need touching up but I'll let the red harden for a few more days rather risk damaging it while I'm doing that.  The Ferrari text also need doing on one side.
I've still got the commissioning plate to do ( the square above the NOVITEC badge) but I have decided what to put on it yet.
Dropped the filter housings in to Stafford for dipping.  I'm promised they will be finished in time for Stoneleigh.

Pic 1). An overall view of the cover.
Pic 2). The horsey.  This was never masked as it was too fiddly so it needs to be sanded and polished.  The shield outline isn't too good either.
Pic 3). The NOVITEC badge.
Pic 4). The Ferrari text on the airbox, sorry it's upside down but you get the idea.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 05, 2017, 11:56:15 AM
The humour has gone out of my battery problem so fixing it has risen to the top of the priority list.  All the bits are in or on the shelf and the hydraulic crimper has just arrived. 
I think I got a bit carried away with this, the 16 ton crimper was only £1 more than the 8 ton one so I had one of those.  It's a bit over the top and is huge but I can now get started on the job.
I'll post pics and circuit when it's done cos it may be add to as I do it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 05, 2017, 12:19:29 PM
Hope things go to plan. Intermittent electrical faults are a "joy"
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 05, 2017, 12:39:50 PM
Thanks Steve.
It's not really an intermittent fault, its most of the time, just sometimes worse than others.
Regardless of that it's still difficult to trace on an SL.  If you open the boot, lock/unlock a door or open one the car wakes up for at least 30 mins and never fully goes to sleep so ambient current drain is always high, just not this high.  The fault is nothing to do with the Conversion to a Furrari, it was like this as a Merc.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 05, 2017, 01:00:39 PM
Aaah. I'm wondering what your research has revealed. Is it a common fault to the model?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 05, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
Steve.  Haven't done any research, it's all anecdotal but it does seem to be a possible weak point in the SL.  Anyway the final job will be bomb proof.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 05, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
Agree that's what's needed. Peace of mind. After all it should only LOOK like a Ferrari, not behave like one!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 10, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
Nothing to do with The Furrari but I don't know where else to put it.

A few posts ago somebody was asking about trim edging with a bead of adhesive in it.  I knew I had seen some but couldn't find it again.  Well I've found as I was looking through one of my automotive porn books.

Issue 30 ( the current one ). of Car Builders Solutions.  Page 386 top left.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 18, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
I've started the build of my Battery Management system.
All the parts that are going on the main board are now mounted on the ABS/wood mounting.  They're not equally spaced as it will sit on the backup battery so no wireing can go through that area to the underside where the bus bars will sit.

The first section consists of the main fuse (100 amp).  The SL charging system has a 75amp fuse to protect the alternator.  This fuse protects the battery.  Also in this section is the main relay, also rated to 100amp.  Controlling this is the battery monitor.  If the battery voltage drops below a preset level (adjustable) it drops the relay out to save flattening the battery further.  When the car is started and the voltage rises again this brings the main relay in to charge the battery.

The second section also monitors the battery voltage and charges the backup battery (via a relay) when the engine is running.

The third section is a remote switch worked by a plip.  This via a relay connects the backup battery to the main (service) battery for a few seconds.  This raises the voltage to let you open the doors and the boot.

The system incorporates charging plugs for both batteries via an Anderson plug for the main battery and a comfort plug (a Cetec think) for the backup battery.  Also an emergency bolt thing somewhere at the back of the car to feed the main service battery.  This is a backup to the backup system.

All relay outputs are fused and each fuse will be monitored by another board, but more of this bit later.  I've done it this way as the management system is under the boot floor so you otherwise have to empty the boot to get to it.

Pictures of the boards later.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: johnjames on May 18, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
All sounds very complicated to me Mick when I had my SL West Coast never had any trouble with the batteries but I didn't fit a small battery charger in

the boot with a little plug underneath so it would trickle charge if I left the car in the garage for longer than two weeks but then my car was a late 2006

model which might make a difference anyway keep up the good work buddy looking forward to seeing you at Knebworth house on 28 August if I get my

car finished on time all the best.       JJ
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 18, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
JJ.  The job may look complicated when looked at as a whole but broken down into little bits it's not too bad.
The battery problem goes back to when I first bought the car, somebody has made a pigs breakfast of the wireing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: jaguartvr on May 18, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
If it helps, my SL rear battery goes flat after 4 days of not using it, 5>10 miles and it comes back on line. The battery is only 2 moths old, the old battery would only last for 2 days.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 21, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
It's probably easier to wire the main board and the monitor board at the same time as they check each other, so it's time to make the monitor board.

I will again be using CAD.  This time it stands for Cardboard Aided Design.

This panel will sit in the recess in the right hand side of the boot where originally the heads of your golf clubs fitted.  The final spec will depend on how much room the essentials take up.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 21, 2017, 11:11:02 AM
Such a bizarre fault. An monumental pain in the ring gear too!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 21, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
Steve.  It's not the fact that if flattens batteries, it's that because the Merc is so complicated it's very difficult to find.

The design of the monitor panel is now sorted.  All fuses on the main panel monitored by flashing LEDs.  LEDs to show when both batteries and the torch are charging.  The torch only charges when the engine is running and is on its own monitored fuse.  Volt meters to show voltage on both batteries but only when a button is pressed to save flattening the batteries even more.

I've also added 12 volt plugs.  ( cigarette lighter size, Hella/DIN plug, twin USB sockets and a caravan socket left over from the Hotel California so I can run my little fridge at shows to keep the milk fresh for the tea).
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 22, 2017, 11:16:37 AM
That's a LOT of additional bits but I get it :D

I assume none of these contribute to the battery issues. Was your donor vehicle damaged in any way when you got it? Forgive me but I can't recall the history of your build.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 22, 2017, 12:22:15 PM
Steve.  As far as I know it wasn't damaged before I had it.  Most of the extra bits I already had and was going to put them in the Hotel California but I sold it before I had chance to do it.

The only charging point in the car as standard is the cigarette lighter and I suppose the phone line on the radio but the ignition as to be on for these and the bits being charged are in view.  This set up lets me charge with the ignition off and the items hidden in the boot.  I've had the rechargeable torch for some time but this makes sure that it's always fully charged.

There is another reason for fitting them of course.  Because I can.  No other r Adonis needed.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 22, 2017, 01:17:53 PM
I get it. I'm a bloke who took a 70's liquor bottle and converted it into a lamp for our hallway.

I'm just trying to work out why an EXTREMELY expensive prestige vehicle's battery/ies would possibly go flat in a few days when my sh1tty old camry starts first time after sitting for three months.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 24, 2017, 12:17:41 PM
Now I have a problem you can all help me with.

I've almost finished my Battery Management System and I need a flashy ( perhaps I should say stylish not flashy) name for the system to go the main board.

Anybody any ideas.?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 24, 2017, 02:00:16 PM
Flux Capacitor :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 24, 2017, 08:54:14 PM
Steve.  Been used.  There is competition car ( can't remember what branch) that is electric and sponsored by Adrian Flux called the Flux Capacitor.

Keep them coming folks or I may have to use Steves idea.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 24, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
There's also a movie where it features heavily :D

What about

e-tronimus prime

Fetzer Valve Distribution Centre

F-tronic tributary control board

And finally my favorite

Rilievo di dolore elettronico


Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tenpin on May 24, 2017, 09:53:57 PM
How about BERT?

B attery
E lectronic
R econnection and
T ransfer

 - tenpin
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 24, 2017, 10:19:27 PM
Steve.  What does the last one mean.

Stuart.  I like that but I'm tending to BERK
B attery
E lectonic
R econection and
K ontrol

Or perhaps. BURK
B attery
U tilisation,
R econection and
k ontrol.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 24, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Electronic grief relief and of course its Italian

:)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 25, 2017, 07:50:28 AM
My thanks to Steve and Stuart for the ideas.

The cover panel is about 125mm deep.  With that much space I think I'll go with BURK as the main sticker and Steves Italian Job as a subtitle.  It's a pity that you will to lift the boot floor to see it, but Ill know it's there.

You might ask why bother if you can't see it.  The answer is the same as before "because I can"
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 25, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Let me know if you want me to design it up for you
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 25, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Thanks for the offer Steve but I can knock something up and get it printed locally.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 25, 2017, 05:03:28 PM
Pic of the monitoring/charging panel.  All working on the bench, I'll just put it in place for this weekends show.   I might replace the panel itself over the winter with a properly engraved one.

Only two bits left to do.
Firstly to figure out how to hold it in place rather than just wedging it in place.
Name "BURK" to go across the top.
I've also got to make a cradle to hold the torch in place in front of the panel.   Yes the torch charging part of the BURK works.

Just notice I've chopped off the voltmeters in the picture.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 27, 2017, 10:06:44 AM
Change of plan.  Rather than having a new engraved panel made at vast expense I'm talking to a couple of companies about some vinyl stickers made to replace the tricky-tacky labels I've used on the prototype.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: seriph on May 27, 2017, 10:11:35 AM
Far better idea.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: anudimension on May 27, 2017, 11:41:36 AM
send over what you want ill do it for you Mick FOC
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 28, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
Cheers Roland.  As soon as I get back from Ragley.

Can you PM me your address so I can send the template.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 30, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
A weekend of running the BURK has shown a few design mods are required.

The main relay gets warm so I'm going to fit a heat sink.  This relay is engaged all the time the service battery is above 12 volt.  The mod will include a current sensor on the Anderson plug charging circuit so that as soon as the charger plug is plugged in and the battery is taking charge from the trickle charger the sensor detects this and drops out the main relay.  The sensor only draws 10mA so very little heat generated.  Using a current sensor rather than a switch means you can't forget to switch the relay back into circuit and because it doesn't disconnect the battery you don't loose your radio and other settings.

Seriph is right.  Perpetual Prototyping.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 31, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
The best layed plans etc.  The current sensor I was going to use will work down to trickle charge current I expect but will only stand 5Amp.   This is OK if the charger goes straight on to maintain the battery but if it's a bit flat then the charging rate will exceed this.  For now I think I'll just fil a switch next to the Anderson plug and I'll worry about an automatic system later.
I suppose I could fit a microswitch that the body of the plug trips as it's put into place.
(Just had a shower, which I use as think tank, and an idea came to me).   I'll try a reed switch and a magnet bonded to the Anderson plug.  This uses no power in use, produces to heat and I already have all the bits.

Unless anybody else has a good idea.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 24, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
One job leads to another.

Some time ago I fitted LEDs to the inside of the boot lid, both as a boot light and as additional hazard lights when the boot lid was open.  These were controlled by a tip switch but the system packed up after about six months.

Installing the BURK requires removing some of the boot trim.  As the trim has to be removed I thought I'd have a look at the boot lid lights at the same time.  Soon found the problem.  The tip switches were made of Chinesium and had failed.  So at the same time as installing the looms for the BURK I'm putting in new wiring for the boot lid lights but the system has expanded. ( as you would expect).

I now need an acronym ( like the BURK) for a system that controls the boot interior LED lights, the load cover lid LED lights, the sequential indicator lights on the inside of the boot lid and the number plate lights ( I'm thinking about having them change to red under braking.)    Anybody any ideas?
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on June 24, 2017, 07:45:17 PM
BLOAT

Boot Light and Other Associated Things
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on June 24, 2017, 07:49:31 PM
BLOB

Boot Light and Other Bits
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on June 24, 2017, 07:52:25 PM
BLOATER

Boot Light and Others Things Externally Required
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Sir Percival on June 24, 2017, 07:53:19 PM
You have probably noticed I am bored  :-\
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 24, 2017, 11:17:12 PM
Keep them coming folks.

I won't finish this bit before Doncaster this weekend but I will have parts of the BURK working.

Sir P.  I like the ideas, based on your ideas I'm working towards

Indicator
Diagnostics
Including (or involving)
Other
Things


There are no diagnostic involved so this is just an idea.

As it compliments the BURK.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: tenpin on June 25, 2017, 05:53:33 PM
How about

B oot
A nd
S equential
I ndicator
L ights

Probably should be said loud (Fawlty) voice.

 - tenpin
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on June 25, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
Any advance on

Boot
Lights and
Indicator
Sequential
Sequencer.

:-)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 18, 2017, 05:10:56 PM
All ready for Castle Combe.
Updates for the Furrari include a new TPMS that works like it should.  This one also shows pressure and temperature status at each startup, just for a few seconds.  Shows it's working.
A dash cam.  Permanently mounted, not on a vacuum pad thing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 28, 2017, 10:04:57 PM
Well I had a bit of a problem in Chippenham.  My sat nav held me prisoner.  I knew it didn't like Bristol but it hates Chippenham.

The show itself was was well attended by visitors but we only had three cars on display, two West Coasts and an Extreme 430.  Even more fun telling the incredulous that that's a Merc, and that's a Merc and that's a Peugeot.  I hope we can do more joint shows in the near future.

The TPMS works very well as does the dash cam but as it only has a small memory chip in it over wrote my attempts to get out of Chippenham.  A bit like a scene from The Prisoner.

I'm starting a new thread just to document my (revised) new diffuser wing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 19, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
We went to a pet show today with the furries (as in Furrari).  Got bitten by a donkey.  Smelly thing.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on August 22, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
The BURK cover plate is now finished and in place.

Whilst it a necessary mod I would like to thank all those who have joined in with this bit of silliness.

I did have a couple of high voltage stickers to finish it off but I've lost them.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on September 14, 2017, 11:26:08 PM
I finished the BURK monitor panel the other day.  I've replaced the original labels with the vinyl ones and put the stickers on the torch cradle.

Just one pic of the panel.  I've shown it out of the car to save me standing on my head to get a decent shot.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on September 15, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
Looks like 'Back to the Futre' in that DeLorean car.LOL  :D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 02, 2017, 11:51:57 PM
I've had a rattle from somewhere at the back for the last few weeks but couldn't find the source.  Took the Furrari for its MOT last week ( it passed, no  advisories) and while it was up on the ramp we had a closer look for the rattle.  We found a broken calipurr.  As the replica antirattle springs were also going rusty we took off the disc as well.  I'll fix the calipurr (Furraris use calipurrs) after Shepton but it won't be going back on yet as I've got some new springs to fit at the same time.

I've taken the new springs to be satin chrome plated, with lots of copper plate on first.  To prevent the chrome being bent and cracked when the spring is tightened I'll print off some aluminium spacers to look like the floating set up.  I'll use the same filament as I used for the engine bits.  As the next show isn't until Feb next year there's no rush.

I've also added an Anderson plug battery charge/jump thing under the rear bumper as another part of the BURK system.  I've put a (big) fuse in the line in case somebody shorts out the pins of the Anderson plug and sets fire to the electrics.  This together with my rechargable booster pack should finally solve my battery/access problems.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on November 08, 2017, 02:38:45 PM
Springs are back from plating (satin chrome).  Not as bling as bright chrome but look very nice.

Also found the cause of the problem.  The centre calipurr to the mounting bracket had fallen out so all the load went through the top and bottom mount which is only a self tapper.  From Cal's ( now Montman's) onward the mounting at these points was slightly reinforced and stiffer mounting brackets were introduced.

Not much point just repairing them so a stronger set up will be used to cope with our potholes.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on January 19, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
I’m suffering with a bit of arthritis if my hands get very cold.  To help me me I’m getting the thickness of the steering wheel rim increased from the existing 28mm to the current Mercedes thickness of 32/33mm.

Wheel went away this morning, should take about about a week.  I’ve still got the old four spoke wheel if I need to move the car in the meantime.

Pics when the wheel is back.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 05, 2018, 12:16:55 PM
Although my steering wheel had been changed from the four spoke wheel to a retrimed three spoke wheel from a Merc C203 (it's a coupe, but I don’t know more details).  I was never 100% happy with it as it still looked too Mecedesish.  In a recent post by somebody else ( sorry I can’t remember who) about stickers I alluded to having a new wheel. ( well retrimed again).  A lot of thought has gone into this, and a lot of pinching other people’s ideas.  It’s back now and here it is.

Pic 1).  A general view of the wheel.  The thickness has been increased from 28mm to 33mm.  A much better feel.  The stitching of the leather has been changed to what is called single stitching which gives more visible thread and a double row of stitching has been added to the air bag break line.
Pic 2).  The top of the wheel.  The Italian flag colours.
Pic 3).  The California badge set into the middle of the lower spoke.  The spoke itself has had the depression removed and the bottom of the wheel has had a flat added.
Pic 4).  The crowning piece of the conversion.  Rather than just the usual semi-perforated leather which we call perforated, this is perforated with 2.5mm diameter holes.  A layer of yellow has been placed below the perforated leather to show through the holes.  The black leather had to be redyed after it was perforated so it’s very black at the moment.  This should fade after a bit to reduce the contrast.  A bead has also been added between the leather of the spokes and the rubber of switch panel to hide the height difference
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: OXO on February 07, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
That looks fantastic !
I have just fitted a Sparco D shaped wheel which might benefit from being covered. I was thinking of having a go myself.
Would you mind me asking where and how much ?
Thanks
OXO
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 07, 2018, 12:45:10 PM
OXO.   The wheel was done by Paul Darby in Clayhanger, Brownhills.  The standard charge is about £180 but with all the extra work it cost me £280.

Very nice to drive with and is outstanding in appearance.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 07, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
Well I have a new addition to my 430 being bolted on soon..

Bought already, just working out how to convert it to the MR2 splines

And yes it’s real..!
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on February 08, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
Looks like the same as the wheel I have just put on ebay Lee ;D ;D
MADMAN ;) ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Lee22 on February 08, 2018, 10:30:19 PM
 :o
 :o

I hoe you’ve put it up at a good price mate  ;D
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: MADMAN on February 08, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
:o
 :o

I hoe you’ve put it up at a good price mate  ;D
reserve £100 ;D ;D ;) ;)
MADMAN
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 19, 2018, 11:19:47 AM
We don’t usually show pictures of tools but I had to post this drill press/bush inserter because  it’s so cute ( tools are cute?, I’m a sad person). It’s a mini drill press and a temperature controlled soldering iron with a 3D printed adaptor joining them together for hot inserting bushes into prints so they will take screws.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 19, 2018, 11:58:12 AM
Now I’ve made my cute little bush inserter I’ve put the bushes into the back of the badge support and stuck the NOVITEC badge on the front and mounted it on the grill that I collected from Beemaman last week. (Thanks Wayne)  This is now in the pile of bits to go on the car when it’s a bit warmer.

These days fitting the grill takes me about 45 mins.  20 to get down; 5 to fit the grill and 20 to get back up.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: beemaman on February 19, 2018, 03:42:09 PM
No worries Mick some more bits ready to fit when we get that red hot summer lol 😂
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 20, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
That really looks good Mick, can you post a picture with a mock up on the grille  :)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2018, 12:47:30 PM
It was always my intention to put the switches for the auxiliary lights, indicators and exhaust in the top of the armrest rather than the spiders web of wiring that some of you may have seen under my bonnet.

I’ve designed and printed the panel in two parts because the panel is 260mm long and I can only print 215mm long.  I’ve shown it/them at half scale in the picture to show them as one piece.

There are three on/off/on switches with LED indicators next to them.  An LCD display panel and room for three potentiometers to control the displays and LEDs (I’ve made them but not finished them).  I had some room left so I’ve added coin slots for £2. and 50 pences at the back and £1. at the front.

It’s got to be sanded and joined before going for dipping so it will be some time before it’s in.  I’ve got the software to write first as well.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 20, 2018, 01:01:55 PM
Kal.  Your wish is my Comand.

An overal view of the grill.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on February 22, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
All the pictures have disappeared !
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 21, 2018, 01:53:06 PM
Some minor mods to the centre switch panel ( bigger radiuses ).  Bonded, filled, sanded and sent down to Wicked Coatings in Poole who did the rest of the interior originally.
No pictures 'cos it looks more or less like the previous pictures.

The wiring is breadboarded.  The wiring and the software tested and working.  I’m going to have a go at making a printed circuit board (PCB) for it.  Never done a PCB before but why not.  Pictures of the breadboard and the PCB when it’s all built and tested.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: kalifornia on March 22, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
Mick

Make sure you clean all the crumbs of the board. ;)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 22, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
No need to Cal.  That’s the chickens job.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 22, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
Not very clear but this is the layout of the PCB.  If anybody can spot any errors please let me know as this is my first attempt.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 26, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
My first go at printing a PCB. ( well one side of it)

After printing it on my normal printer I got it photocopied on a laser copier that uses toner.  I cleaned the copper board with fine wet or dry and then acetone, positioned the 'copy on it and fixed it with a bit of capton tape.
With it in place I followed the vid on YouTube.  Ironing it through a bit of kitchen towel.  Nothing.  Tried again.  Still nothing.  Finally I ironed the back of the print directly and used a lot more force, let it cool and it was stuck, just as it was supposed to.  Into some water and soaked it for five minutes.  The paper came off the copper almost cleanly.  A bit of a rub and the rest came off.   This method is called the toner transfere method.

I’m not 100% happy with the transfere so I inked in the pads I’m going to solder to with etch resistant ink.

Next I’ve got to drill the holes in the pads.  That’s for tomorrow.

Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on March 26, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
What you building fella? I've got two arduinos in my murci.

:)
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 27, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
CdRsCull
What am I building.  To recap.  This was all part of my Grand Vision. 
The current project is to put the switches to control the way the auxiliary lights, indicators and the exhaust works. ( more on this as things progress). The switches are located in the top part of the centre consol/arm rest.  The panel is with Wicked Coatings in Poole for carbon dipping in the same finish as the rest of the CF.  The panel has three rocker switches with 6 LEDs and there is an LCD, four line display showing their status.  ( all of this is for the best reason there is, because I can.)

The the LCD is controlled by one Arduino Nano and two potentiometers ( one for brilliance, one for contrast).  The third controls the brilliance of the LEDs to give a constant level regardless of how many are lit.  Although there are enough I/O on one Nano to do both jobs using just one, having the LCD uses up the particular pins I need for controlling the LEDs.

I'v had it all working on a breadboard but this means a lot of wire, so I’m having a go at a PCB.  Never done one before so it’s a bit of a steep learning curve.

As all this was part of the Grand Vision the wiring is in from the centre consol to the front of the car but I’m going to have a go at wireless switching but I won’t be showing this unless it’s successful.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 27, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
So onto the drilling.

There are about 80 holes that need drilling.  Each one is .5 to .6 mm diameter and has to be very accurate.

A standard drill chuck can’t hold a drill bit of this size in place accurately, and the bits are very fragile; so how do we drill them.

I have my cute little, desk top pillar drill and a pneumatic die grinder.  The grinder won’t fit the stand so I printed an adaptor to hold it in place.  The next problem is that the grinder has a 6mm collet, not a chuck.  I got a model makers chuck off Amazon. This has a 6mm spindle so it will fit the collet at one end and hold the dill bit at the other.  I’ve put a DTI on the drill and the run out is about .05mm so that should be OK.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 27, 2018, 04:01:09 PM
That method wasn’t too accurate.  Although rotating the drill by hand gave minimal runout using the mini pillar drill was not successful as pulling the handle caused about .5mm to 1mm flex in the position on the drill bit.  I presume because of working against the return spring.

I’ve ordered a push drill ( also known as an Archimedes drill or a jewellers drill) off Amazon that should be here tomorrow and we’ll try again. ( I did say all this lot was a steep learning curve.)

Longer term, if all the other aspects of the job go well I’ll look at constructing a goal post, frame thing to stop the top of the pillar drill moving.

Another mistake was to ink in the solder pads before drilling.  This should be done afterwards to put the hole in the centre of the pad.

Another episode of how not to drill a hole tomorrow or the day after.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 30, 2018, 09:36:21 AM
Well using a push drill hasn’t proved 100% successful either.  With my eyesight for very close work (I’m using the Beta release of the Mk1 eyeball) it’s dificult to get the centre of the holes within a gnats thingies.  These, almost invisible tolerances adding up to, I would say .25mm.  Not a lot but when the holes are .7mm and .9 mm dia it’s an appreciable amount.  It’s not a problem for resistor mounting holes but for two rows of 15 holes it is.

Originally I reduced the size of the design to fit across a piece of board.  This meant using a .05” pitch instead of a .1” pitch on some items.  So it’s back to the drawing board. (Well computer).

I’ve redrawn the circuit, this time sticking with the .1” pitch for the holes.  This will allow me to use a bit of Vero board as a template.

My proper Toner Transfere paper has arrived as well so it’s off to get a new photocopy.

Oh, the other problem with a push drill and so many holes is that I have a blister.  With my avoidance of physical work this is very unusual.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 05, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
No pictures, 'cos there’s not a lot to see.

I’ve used the toner reansfere paper and transferred the circuit design to the copper clad board.  This paper works a lot better than just gloss paper.  Very good.

I’ve drilled all the holes and etched the board, tomorrow I’ll start soldering.  Although I could solder the bits straight to the board but as this is my first attempt at a PCB I think I’ll mount them on headers so I can plug the Arduinos in.  That way if I’ve got it wrong it won’t scrap them.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 16, 2018, 12:40:32 PM
The switch panel is back from being dipped, the lacquer removed from where the display and switches fit.   Looks very nice ( better than the picture.)

I’m struggling to find potentiometer knobs I like so I suppose I’ll have to make my own.
I found some Moog knobs that I like but they are too big a dia but I think this is the patern I think I like.

The California badge is the same as the one on the steering wheel.  Sets the rest of the panel off very well.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on April 18, 2018, 12:14:08 PM
looking good.. did I see a 007 ejector seat option to pin5 ?

if (seatButtonState == HIGH) {
    // Activate ejector seat:
    digitalWrite(seatPin, HIGH);
    // Boooom Passanger goes bye bye
}

All good stuff, the carbon dip looks really good. Did you print in PLA or ABS? Just wondering if any temperatures will affect it that's all.

b.t.w if you need anything bigger printing I have a 300x300 bed on my JGAurora A5.

Steve
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: FBP3rd on April 18, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
Cheers Steve,nice one !
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 18, 2018, 05:49:49 PM
Steve.

Thank you for that code snippet (I can’t get used to calling them sketches).  I will archive it for later.

One problem is that JB had his eject button in the gear lever.  If you press the top of my gear lever the engine stops.

I tend to print in PLA as I’ve had so many problems with ABS.  If I want a bit more strength I increase perimeter layers to 5 and then anneal the print in the oven at 95C for about an hour.  This increases the strength by 40% and the stiffness by 25%,  it also increases its temperature resistance.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 23, 2018, 12:53:26 PM
I’ve had the sticker for the commissioning plate and the aluminium plate to sit it on for some time.  When I tried to fit the plate I realised that the area I was trying to fit it on was not flat, nor a simple curve but was domed.  Strange, cos when I printed it last year it was flat, obviously it conformed to the shape of the engine cover when I bonded it on.  So I just stuck it on.

The indistinct bit in the middle is a horsey thing.  In the flesh it’s a lot clearer than on the photo.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 26, 2018, 06:30:31 PM
Continuing the finishing jobs on the engin cover.

The original idea was to print all the bits for the makeover and bond them to the Merc cover.  All the bits on the main cover were done apart from the horsey badge in the middle.  The printing was done with an aluminium filament that you were supposed to be able to polish to an bright aluminium finish.  Today I tried.  Even using 2000 grit and soap all I could get was a shiny gray finish. :-(

I didn’t want to paint it due to the complicated shape so over to plan B.    Gold leaf.    I have used guilding before but that was an a much less fiddly job.  The finished job is not 100% what I was hoping for.  I looks very bling from a couple of feet away but won’t stand scrutiny from close up.

With the show next weekend I’ll leave it for now, print some more horsey things off and have a practice.

You sure learn some new skills with this kit car thing, that’s the fun of it.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on April 27, 2018, 11:21:10 AM
Who said I don’t think of my wife?   I’ve just bought her a set of star drive, anti tamper keys so she can mend the vacuum cleaner.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 20, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
More work under the bonnet ( see also “ that didn’t work”).

A Ferrari has the areas around the engine clad in plastic covers. ( looks very good on the 430) but the engine bay of the SL has all the bits exposed.   Whilst the side and front covers are beyond my skill level I can make covers for the battery/heater area and the fuse box/brake reservoir/ wash bottle area.  So it’s back to the CAD ( cardboard aided design)  and ordered the ABS plastic sheet.

I’ve cut the ABS to shape and cut a hole where the heater grill is, bonded the two parts together with black baby poo, filled the cut out edge and sanded it back.

I consulted Alan Ward ( who are of course used to us strange lot) about the best paint to use on ABS and they made me up an aerosol of the correct satin black which I used to put two coats on the cover.

The other side is the mirror of the first, all I’ve got to do is figure how to hold it in place.

Just a picture of the finished cover.  Well I say finished, I’ve still got to edge it in a rubber extrusion to neaten the edge up.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on May 23, 2018, 05:43:29 PM
As usual I couldn’t find the rubber extrusion I wanted, about 8mm x 2mm with a shallow wedge shape.  What I did find was a T section about 14mm wide with stem of the T part about 1.5mm wide.  I’ve cut off the one side of the Top using the stem of the T as a guide and then the stem of the using the bit of the top of the T that I wanted to keep.

I’ve glued it into position with super glue, pushing it back against the part I wanted to seal to and covering the gap.

The net result is that the panel I made just blends in as though it was always there, so no pictures.

Yes I did get covered in superglue and at one point had my glove stuck to the rubber moulding so I had to cut a new bit.

Now for the other side, got an idea how to hold it in place but I’ve posted enough of my errors already.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 05, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Air Con.

When I had the Furrari as an SL a local company tried to change the radio head unit and ended up breaking the switch panel below the radio ( they denied it of course).  An original style one was not available so I fitted a panel from a later car ( Merc say it’s the correct, direct replacement).

I’ve never had the air con blowing very cold, never needed it, but I thought it would be nice in this heatwave.  Had the gas checked and it was OK.  First thing that comes to light is that on the old switch panel a button is labelled “ econ”   This turns the air con off.  On the new panel the button is labled A/C,  this turns the air con on.  A small but slight difference.  It helped a bit but not much.  A session on the star computer found the fault.  The sun light sensor had gone.  Not failed but gone.  The original DNA build had never replaced it.  Well replaced it is the wrong term 'cos there was no place to fit it although they have left the plug for it in place.

I’ve ordered a new sensor ( only one left in the factory, but I only want one).  I think I can fit it in or behind the cooling grill on the bonnet, we'll see when we get it.  Some models fit them on the dash but that’s a big job.

Watch this space if you are having an A/C problem.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: nigelhob on July 06, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
Hi Furrari

We met at stoneleigh i need a new dummy caliper for my
westcoast you said you had a couple just wondering if
you have located them if so could i buy one.

Many thanks

nigelhob
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on July 07, 2018, 04:48:41 PM
Nigelhob.


I have found ( I never realy lost) the PU, original, DNA, calipurr but I am reluctant to let it go as I need one myself.  However if you go to “Fibreglass and things” thread you can see that I have made a split mould to make one from FG or CF.  I’m currently experimenting with vacuum bagging CF parts which will give us a better job than FG but I need the practice.  PU is not viable for me as there is a high cost of investment in equipment and limited use when I’ve got it.

It’s my intention to do a few more CF jobs to gain experience and then go the required number of calipurrs in a carbon fibre/twaron mix ( twaron is an aramid similar to Kevlar)

Please bear with me as my learning curve is near vertical at this stage. ( and it’s hot and smelly working with this stuff)

M
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on February 14, 2019, 12:41:22 PM
Not been on this thread for some time but it is related to the original build.

The Furrari failed its MOT due to headlight missalignment.  The headlight beam was way out of where it should have been ( LH side only).  Investigation showed that one of the lugs that hold the bulb in place had broken off allowing the bulb to twist.  Only solution was a new projector unit.  Ordered a new Hella unit from Car Builders Solutions.  Fitted it and went for adjustment and retest.  Failed again.  This time because the beam patten kicked up the wrong way, as though it was for a LD drive car.  No, CBS's catalogue said it was for a RH drive car.
I phoned CBS, no, Hella listed this as RHD.  CBS contacted Hella and got back to me within half an hour.
When The Furrari was built, Hella made two units, a LD and a RH drive one. DNA of course fitted a pair of RH drive ones.  In the subsequent years the design has been changed so there is only one style, and it’s a universal one.  They all come out of Hungary set to LH drive but all it needs is a tweek on the (hidden) adjustment screw to convert it to RD drive.
So if you get new Hella units for your car, look at the back of the unit.  Below where the high beam wires go into the housing is another plug.  Pull it our, turn the screw clockwise, put the plug back.  Job done.  Easy when you know how.  To do the job, less than a minute.  To find how to do the job, about a week.  Hey, that’s kit cars.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 11, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
I’m doing a couple of jobs in the engine bay using ABS sheet ( I’ll show the job when it’s finished). They are just flat sheet, sprayed black, with a rubber trim super glued on the edge.   One of the rubber strips flipped while I was positioning it.  The glue made a bit of a mess of the surface.

No problem, sand it and respray it, it’s only 18” square.  Didn’t go to plan.  As the primer dried cracks appeared on the surface.  Hmmm.  Resend and respray.  This time the the cracks developed into fissures, so bad they looked a bit like the pot holes in the roads around here.

I’ve decided to scrap this bit and start again.  I can use this as a template so half the job is done.

A bit of research on the web revealed the problem.  When ABS sheet is made iit's given a harder skin.  When you spray it the paint dries before it can affect the skin.  When I sanded it I removed the skin so when I sprayed it the paint solvent attacked the softer ABS below.

I’ve posted this in the hope that it stops somebody else wrecking a job they’ve spent time on.
Title: Re: Furrari build
Post by: Furrari on March 31, 2019, 01:16:30 PM
Just a pic of the five bits that make up the engine bay surround and a closeup of the sticker for the brake master cylinder. I would have liked all the engine bay done, similar to the Maserati but this just wasn’t feasible ( given my skill level.). The rear two ( the triangular bits) are finished and can now go in.

I’ve offered up the three front bits and they fit OK.  The problem now is that they make the fact that the headlights are sealed with black Gaffa tape rather obvious.  I’ve tried painting them in the past and the paint goes flakey and falls off so that’s out.  The best solution looks like taking the headlights back out and covering the visible part of them in carbon Fibre, so it’s back to the composite shop with them.

I’m reluctant to fit the front surrounds untill the headlights are done as they will be sealed with a rubber strip, like the back ones.  If we had thought of this five years ago when DNA built the car the surrounds could have been blended in with filler and sprayed but I don’t want to risk making a mess of the paintwork,  hindsight ( five year old hindsight) is a wonderful thing.