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Title: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 07, 2016, 10:14:54 PM
Now this may seem a little premature but, as you know I have been very interested in the new offering from DNA ever since I first saw it and, although I still need to see a completed one, I have taken the plunge and bought a donor car for the build. Should I have any doubts when I do see a completed Cali then I can always sell the donor on, with nothing (or at least not too much) lost.

I shall put a couple of pictures of the donor on shortly. It is a 2.8 Z3 with 70K on the clock. One owner from new, full BMW service history, electric/hyd hood, elec windows and mirrors, A/C, blue with beige leather interior.

All in all it is in pretty good nick, with the following exceptions; LCD display on radio has failed, passenger window sticks half way, drivers window slow to operate, passenger door does not centrally lock, although works OK with key and from inside.

Having looked at a number of Z club sites it would appear that all of these are easily fixed, and this is what I shall be doing for the next six months while I run it about to test it. I already have it booked in for a precautionary clutch change (£325 all in fitted) and I will get a full service soon.

Insurance for me and the wife £228 fully comprehensive. I will keep you informed of progress and all the fixes that I make regarding the snags.

This will be just an occasional report if and until I place my body order.

Looking forward to seeing some of you at Stoneleigh
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Paul79 on February 07, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Nice one Sir P. I'm really looking forward to this build!!!  ;D

Paulie
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 10:39:11 AM
As promised, here are a few pictures of the donor;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Furrari on February 08, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
With all the standard Z3 features transferred to the 250, you end up with a better car than the original.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 10:50:56 AM
When I have been looking round the car I came across this. It is the wiring that goes from the boot into the boot lid and, according to the Z forums, is notorious for causing problems with the electrics, including the central locking.

Apparently the wires on the Z are quite thick and the constant bending in this position causes them to break or café, giving all sorts of earth problems.

Looks like mine have been worked on before, and this is confirmed by the associated paperwork, I have ordered up some red heatshrink crimps and a new posh set of ratchet crimping tongs (all of 8 quid off ebay) and when I start fixing stuff this may have to be the first port of call. I will put up with it till then.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
That should have read chafe....not café....although plenty of coffee may be needed!!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 10:56:02 AM
And of course the boot lid will be gone when I build the kit....so hopefully this problem will go with it. :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
Oh and one last snag I forgot to mention, there is movement in the drivers seat of about 2cm, forwards and backwards, that is most disconcerting. If you break hard you move towards the windscreen and if you accelerate hard you move towards the back of the car.

The movement feels greater than it is...if that makes any sense, and feels horrible.

Fortunately this is another easy fix with a new set of hard washers under the seat (another regular fix on the Z forums)...cost 12 quid plus the time to do it.

Looks straightforward....when I do it I shall take pictures.

Sir P
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: tricky on February 08, 2016, 04:05:41 PM
My doner car got delivered to Dna last week
There's a diferance in the wide body and narrow one in the boot area
So Dna have to work out a different moulding in that area that either cover both designs
My doner had a complete overhaul before it went to Dna
Full service , suspension parts , etc  all bits that were advisorys on an mot
Even though it had a current mot with no advisorys my garage still put it through a complete inspection

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2016, 05:00:23 PM
Looks a nice donor Tricky, what size engine is it?.

What was wrong with the suspension...because I believe we have to change the springs anyway don't we?

How much of a problem are DNA having with the back end?

Did yours have any of the same niggles as mine re; central locking, windows, seats, radio etc?

What are they doing for you, body fit and spray or just body fit...or the whole lot?

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: tricky on February 08, 2016, 06:06:27 PM
I was the one that commissioned Dna to do the kit  ;D
I gave them a scrap bmw to do all the mouldings etc but it was just a 1.9
The body's differ at the rear and the boot returns are a bit different from a 1.9 to a 2.2 upwards

My doner car is a2.2  with 86k
The springs get changed on the kit only
My ball joints were split and some play in the arms so I changed them for new
My roof doesn't work but will get it working for stoneleigh
My car will be the display car at stoneleigh in May
My windows are a bit slow to go down but everything else is ok
All the niggles with these cars are all easy fixes
The z3 forums all have the answers and they all look to be known and minor repairs
My car cost me £1900 on eBay and I was the only one bidding on it !

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 09, 2016, 10:33:45 AM
I doff my hat to you mate, for being a pioneer of this new kit.

Blimey, if yours is going to be the one on show at Stoneleigh that's going to be one rapid build...with a capital R.

And yours will be the decision making machine for me, to make the final plunge and place a deposit.

I am hoping mine will also be ready for Stoneleigh................Stoneleigh 2017 that is  ;D

Sir P

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 09, 2016, 04:59:52 PM
Right quick update. Had the clutch changed on Monday/Tuesday at ClutchRight in Shirley near Birmingham (o121 474 3434) Andrew Bartlam is the bloke in charge, what a nice guy. I was late getting back from Germany and he hung around till half 6 to make sure I got the car.

He showed me the old one, in fair nick but well worn and noisy bearing. Andrew reckons it only had about another 10k in it, so well pleased I got it changed, especially at that price (£325 all in).

Anyway, we got chatting and it turns out that Andrew likes all things car, including kits, and that he had been seriously contemplating a white one tat was up for sale (I think it might have been DNA's demo) for 35K. So Kal if yours is still for sale it might be worth you giving him a ring ;)

He understands the "precious" nature of completed kits, and seems an all round nice guy. He checked out all the underneath and pronounced it to be in really good fettle.

Driving home the Z felt really great. all the catches changing gear are gone and gear changes feel really slick, its also a little bit quieter. The drive home was a real pleasure.

Anyway, can't recommend him enough for anyone in the Brum area, great value, great job....and its made a big difference.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 09, 2016, 05:03:31 PM
The only drawback from my clutch change; they disconnected the battery, which means that the radio has to be re-coded to get it working....only problem being, if you remember, the LCD display isn't working.....catch 22 :-\

Oh well, I'm changing it anyway...in the meantime I will whip it out and try and fix the display....a hammer should do it ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 27, 2016, 06:47:16 PM
I took out the drivers seat this weekend and carried out the "anti-rocking seat mod", rather than repeat the pictures here is a link to the Z owners club page that tells you how to do it and even where to get the new washers from (£12 including postage).

https://zroadster.org/articles/how-to-fix-your-bmw-z3-rocking-seats-changing-the-bushes-bushings.51/

Wife has been busy cleaning the interior whilst the seat is out...its not bad....just 17 years of use....starting to look good.

Bought a leather cleaning and restoration kit from Furniture clinic, works a treat.

More pictures soon.

Sir P
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 31, 2016, 08:08:43 PM
Found out a harsh lesson yesterday. Nipped down to see what was happening at DNA, chat with Brian, cup of tea, everything good....then found out that security of the car, when Calified, relies on having remote central locking.

Mine doesn't...it has central locking but the type that only operates from the key in the lock. Apparently, according to BMW, the remote operation was a dealer option back in the day.

My own fault for not spotting the difference between "central locking" and "remote central locking"

Something for anyone buying a donor to think about.

I will now have to invest in an aftermarket remote kit....its not a problem, its not expensive...it's just annoying >:(
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Dock Green on April 01, 2016, 08:27:31 AM
Worth noting (I hope mine is OK). I guess a few of us will now have collected information about buying Z3s & what to look out for. Maybe we should start a thread collecting this information in a single place for future buyers.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 01, 2016, 11:13:42 AM
Not a bad idea Dock.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 06, 2016, 08:24:11 PM
After extensive research into remote central locking for my Z3 I found, by accident, mention of a good kit on one of the Z3 forums. Its called the Stellar 45p, by Autoloc.

The beauty of it is that it plugs in to the existing locking system, so plug and play. The only thing that has to be removed is the glove box, for access to the plug hole.

Did a big search only to find that its pretty much unavailable over here, so I have ordered one from Amazon in the US. Going to take about 4 weeks to arrive at a cost of approximately 95 quid.

There are kits as cheap as a tenner on ebay....but didn't fancy any of them...and the cheapest quote I had from an auto electrician was about £300 fitted...so I hope the 45p is as simple to fit as it sounds :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 250 Cali build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 18, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
Nothing happening at the moment.....re-fitting the bathroom....joy of joys :(...still the shows on the way ;)
Title: Sir Percivals 2fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 06, 2016, 08:53:10 PM
Enjoyed the show a lot, a great day. Finally met Paul (+Dad), Chris (+ wife) and Tricky (+ 2Fifty)....on the DNA stand.

My wife has finally given her approval and I shall be seeing Brian to place a deposit, hopefully next week.

Oh, and the bath is fitted (if anyone cares)  :-\ Flooring starts tomorrow....sooner I finish, the sooner I can start plying with the Z.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 16, 2016, 05:38:15 PM
Got an hour on the car today....whilst silicone drying. Battery dead. I knew where I had to start, the dreaded boot wires. Opened the boot lid, unwrapped the wires and this is what I found;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 16, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
Wires twisted, some broken completely, some with historic poor repairs, pretty much all of them with cuts and nicks down to bare wire. This could be the source of my locking problems and certainly could be the reason for the flat battery.

Next break in bathroom duties, all hands to the soldering iron.

Strangely it is quite satisfying to find a physical defect that can be put right....rather than a mysterious one that you can't find....or something intermittent.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on May 16, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
Sir P.  It's probably the same person who messed with my SL and my GTM.
Most of the SL problems were sorted before it became a West Coast but I still get the odd gremlin.

When I bought the GTM there was a bundle of wire that looked a bit scruffy.  I'll tidy that up a bit I thought.  I cut the first tie rap and it went "SPRONG" There was suddenly a ball of wire, it was like a cartoon.  There was wire runs that changed colour, wire gauge, there was wires that went nowhere, wires that were bear ( just copper), wires that were charred ( not good in an FG car) and just wires.  Some joints were bear, some were just twisted together and there were about half a doz wires just pushed down the side of the battery posts.  There were some that even finished at a self tapper in the FG ( not a good body contact).   My introduction to kit car wiring..
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 16, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
I almost bought a GTM Rossa back in the day...ended up with a Pimlico for the Missus instead....at least the wiring on the Pim was easy, just re-furbish the mini loom and clip it in.

Seriously, this boot wiring is a major failing on BMW's part, it is a regular fix on all the Z forums...and happens at some point to almost every Z...so its not like they didn't know it was a weak-spot.

I'm hoping that when it is Calified the wiring is freed from this ridiculous right angle routing....then it will no longer be a worry :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 22, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
Well it's now official...nipped down and saw Brian on Thursday, and I have just sent through my deposit by BAC's (in my pyjamas)

All system go now.

Paul 79....you always knew it was only a matter of time, you Mystic Meg you  ;D

As for the boot wiring....just a temporary repair is all it requires as Brian tells me none of it is required....Hurray! ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Paul79 on May 22, 2016, 10:11:31 PM
Great news Sir P

looking forward to ALOT OF PHOTOS as you progress...  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 23, 2016, 09:50:23 PM
Oh, and more great news....the bathroom is finished......I'm so sad  :'(
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on May 23, 2016, 10:19:43 PM
Sir P.   How appropriate.

Congratulations on your purchase.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 25, 2016, 08:40:40 PM
I was going to have my 250 in Rosso Corsa....but looking at the colour swatches that Dock Green posted I am tempted by rosso Rubino 16119MM(Ruby Red).

I found this great site that lists all the Ferrari colours (including all variations of Reds, Yellows, Greens and Blues, whites....oh, and Tan :-\  and shows them applied to actual cars...it's a great help for colour choice.

http://www.ferrari-collection.net/color/ferrari_colors.htm

Anyone for 'Giallo Lady Gaga'?....Furrari, I'm looking at you... ;)

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on May 25, 2016, 09:21:57 PM
Sir P.

That yellow ( Lady Gaga) is dreadful, it's anemic and washed out.

Mine is supposed to be Modena Yellow, but it's not.  ( see a previous post about paint compatibility ). The tin it's in is marked up Furrari Yellow.

I preped the car ready for Ragley Park earlier in the week on a sunny day.  For some reason I took my sun glasses off.  In direct sun light that car is seriously bright YELLOW.  Just enough time before the show for a bit more wax.

Hope to see a lot of you at Ragley.


Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 28, 2016, 08:03:55 PM
You are right...Lady Gaga = rubbish

Got some time on the Z today and managed to repair the boot wires, here are some pics before I taped them up....remember only a temporary repair was needed as these wires are defunct post Calification;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on May 28, 2016, 08:54:02 PM
Sir P.
Looks OK.  The tape and stuff stops the Sparks falling out of the wires.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 05, 2016, 08:47:02 PM
A few pictures of Trickies 2fifty Cal at Ragley with Brian in attendance;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 05, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
and here;
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 05, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
and one more

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on June 05, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
First Class 8)
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: CodeGeek on June 06, 2016, 12:20:25 AM
The car looks great and i love the steering wheel.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: DNA USA on June 06, 2016, 03:06:26 AM
Yes, love the wheel too...authentic style...

DNA USA
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 10, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Ordered my new A suffix registration today.

ANV 198 A,

£60 from Plate Hunter of Telford. (plus 12 quid VAT and 80 quid registration change fee for DVLA) Seemed a nice chap but like Dock Green I will let you know when the process is complete.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 15, 2016, 11:40:58 AM
Further mundane, but important, progress made yesterday.

Had a full service, plus gearbox and back-axle oil changes, coolant replaced, spark plugs replaced, a precautionary check on a crypton tuner, reversing light switch replaced (they weren't working), new caliper kit fitted (sticking and giving wheel wobble)........£256 all in, very pleased.

Drives lovely now....just got to get A/C re-charged and she is ready to go.

Also my new plates arrived from Plate Hunter, ready to fit when the documents come back from DVLA.

Got to fix sticky/slow electric windows and change the door lock actuator on passenger side, got all the bits (loose change off fleabay).....jobs for next week.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 17, 2016, 09:39:56 PM
New door lock actuator arrived a couple of days ago 16Squid....hope it works...make a Turner prize ashtray out of it if it doesn't...might get to fit it this weekend
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 18, 2016, 09:03:22 PM
Received my new V5c today from DVLA. 16 days from start to finish....very pleased with Plate Hunter and would recommend them.

Just got to bolt the plates on.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on June 20, 2016, 09:56:30 AM
Snap - Now to buy some black plates
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 21, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
Lock actuator was the wrong one, new one (proper part number) ordered, should be here by weekend.

Got the actuator out, with a bit of grief, will change the window sliders, and lube up the regulator rails while I wait for the actuator.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 22, 2016, 08:23:06 PM
Took out the glass from the passenger door and changed the window rail sliders, cleaned it all and re-greased with white lithium. Amazing the amount of accumulated filth on the parts of the glass below the door line and on/in the seals and channels. Although they looked fairly new both sliders were broken, according to the Z websites, broken sliders can lead to regulator failure. Not only expensive but a bit of a pig to do as the regulator is riveted in to the door  :o

Doing this has created much more room for refitting the door lock mechanism, so I will leave the glass out while I wait for the actuator.

Also took off the old number plates, just a couple of self-tappers in each. Pop the new ones on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 25, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
Still no actuator yet, so scratching around to do stuff. Fitted the new number plates, only temporary yellow/white ones, I will get black/silver when the 2fifty goes on the road.

Removed the glove box in anticipation of getting the remote central locking fitted. Used "Gummi Phlege" on all the rubber seals....it's good stuff, they look like new.

Discovered the alarm siren lurking under the bonnet, it is currently switched off, but I have read that if you have a door actuator conk it plays havoc with the alarm....so perhaps that's why it is off. I will play with it after the actuator is replaced to see if the alarm works properly or not....I'm not that bothered about it really.

I now think that I could probably buy a "missing corner" remote brick and program it to the car, you can get them new for as little as 35quid. But, I will wait until the one turns up from the US (supposed to be here before tomorrow  ???) then, if it can be fitted, I can decide which way to go.

I would prefer the US one, as it comes with flip keys that I could get cut. Timpsons have already told me that they will not cut customer supplied car keys (company policy apparently...in case they should snap off in the ignition, said the bloke).......anyone know where I can get them cut?

If the USA one does not fit I will have to flog it on ebay.

I saw Dock Greens steering wheel....very nice. However I am going to go with a 14" Mk5 wood rim from Moto-Lite, with slotted spokes. The main reason for this is that the Mk5 has T shaped spokes rather than the Y shape layout of many others. Yes....I know the original had Y shaped spokes...but I don't like them  :D

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on June 25, 2016, 07:36:19 PM
Hi - Care with going 14" on the steering wheel, that's quite small & could impact the view of the gauges.

Dock
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 25, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
Yes good point Dock....I should have made it clear that the 14" is if I keep the current dashboard (that's just about the same as the current Z3 wheel) if I go for a retro dash I agree it will probably need to be bigger....there is a 15" in the Mk5 as well....if bigger is required I would have to think again (much bigger than 15" and I might have to modify the door....to stop me rapping my knuckles when I turn right)!!

But, need to see a completed retro dash to make the decision on whether to go for it not....would love too, but have to see it first as I am a bit concerned as to where all the extra gubbins would fit...like the radio, heater controls, A/C switch, all the warning lights etc. and how much wire chopping might be required.

Having just exposed the wiring behind the glove box is does look a bit like "snakes in a car"....and I am to electrics what Luciano Pavarotti was to bicycle repair

I would like it to look right on the inside as well as the outside....but not at the expense of to much of the modern comfort equipment.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 29, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Returned from a business trip to Germany yesterday....I returned, but my luggage didn't....for the second time in two weeks....Eurowings punishing me personally for Brexit I think  :(

Anyway, actuator arrived today so will try and get the passenger door back together before the weekend as the remote locking kit has hit UK (had to pay another £25 to get it released) and it is now due tomorrow.

Fingers crossed that it fits.   :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 01, 2016, 11:42:35 AM
Passenger door actuator fitted....works a treat, now have full central locking....getting up the courage to switch the alarm on and see what happens.

Got to fit the door glass back next....then I can have a fiddle with the remote locking kit that has arrived from the USA....it looks simple enough to fit...but you never know!!

Got to get a grip as it goes for body fit middle of next month, then hopefully beemaman will spray it for me in September, (although I have to finalise that) and then it is booked in for a new hood at the end of October, then fiddle with the interior over winter, ready for driving in the spring.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 10, 2016, 09:51:07 PM
Help please

 I have just attempted to fit an aftermarket remote control locking system fro United Auto Security (BMWRSZ2-RH)

 The kit is very simple and connect to the middle plug of the ZKE behind the glove box. There are only 4 connections that I require and two of those are earth and power for the brain.

 Now the white wire from the brain (according to the instructions) goes to pin 4 of the central ZKE plug, on mine this is pink, even though the instructions say yellow, then the black/white lock cable from the brain is supposed to connect to pin 17 of the pink plug.

 Operated it for the first time and the doors everything locked and the doors are deadlocked (you can't open them using the inside handle) the locked LED with the kit flashing as it should.

 But tried to unlock and although I can hear the relay operating in the brain nothing unlocks (first time I did it I locked myself in the car and had to be rescued by my wife!!!)

 Have checked all outputs and they seem fine. So I think that pin 17 is the wrong one (lets not forget this is an American system) I have also tried pin 14 with no luck.

 So my question is does anybody know which is the unlock pin inside the pink central plug to the ZKE ??

 any help would be really appreciated.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on July 11, 2016, 05:42:58 PM
Hi

Just Google searched the issue. USA BMW's do have different wiring.
I haven't downloaded it but the attached link claims to provides the wiring diagrams
http://www.gbnetwork.co.uk/bmw/downloadetm.html

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 12, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Thanks everso Tom, that was kind of you....trouble is I have already looked at this and, to be frank, I can't make head or tail of it....electrics were never my strong suit.

If you are good at reading circuit diagrams have a shufty would you and just tell me the two pins I need...unlock and lock.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 19, 2016, 07:08:29 PM
I have given up on trying to fix the remote central locking and put it in with a BMW specialist independent. They reckon it should be easy enough to fix, but I will let you know....if they fix it, and it's a reasonable price, I will recommend them.......if not, then not!

Anyone know of a reasonable price car transporter person in the Redditch area......need to arrange to get it to DNA next month?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on July 19, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
I used shipply,to get me z from London to dna, it cost about £ 120 I think, it's about 90 miles door to door
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on July 19, 2016, 08:54:57 PM
The guy I got off rent a van was very good & cheap - Manchester to Brum.  I'll dig out his name if you want it.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 19, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
Thanks both...but I think I have someone now
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 21, 2016, 08:34:56 PM
Hurray, it is now fixed and I have remote central locking  ;D

Took it to Jo Darby @ 6 Portway Trading Estate, Alcester Road, Portway, B98 7JA, just outside Redditch (07771 752069). Jo has extensive experience of Z3's having worked for BMW for a long time before setting up as an independent.

Dropped it off and next day got the call it was all fixed. When I got there I chatted with Lee the guy that fixed it. Apparently some fuses had been changed in the central locking brain and it was not working properly, so they swopped it out and hey presto.

Not only that, they gave me (free) a second hand (but looks like new) missing corner remote, to go with the one I paid 75 quid for from BMW.

Total cost for the work plus the remote fob.....£120....couldn't believe it, I would heartily recommend this independent.

Great job, great price, great service.....its nice to know that I could not have fixed this myself... and that it is now sorted....with two fobs instead of one....fantastic  ;D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Frankster on July 24, 2016, 04:36:52 PM
Good job mate. I have opted to replace my bmw alarm system for a new one. It's being fitted tomorrow so I hope to spend less time and effort on this bit. Found a company in Northampton that are charging £360 to remove my old one and fit a new that ham approved unit.

I hope it works! 
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 24, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
I do wish you luck m8, after the aggro I had with mine....I'm sure it will go great  ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 03, 2016, 06:57:04 PM
Strip down started is earnest now, as I have had this week off, and it goes to DNA on the 15th. So far;

Rear light cluster removed
Front light clusters removed
boot lid removed
both front wings removed
N/S sill removed
Both front wheel arch protectors almost out
Front bumper removed
bonnet catches removed

I am now stuck because I need the wheels off to carry on....and guess what....I can't budge the wheel nuts...must have been put on by a gorilla.

WD40'd them all for another go tomorrow....pictures tomorrow as well.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 04, 2016, 08:45:43 PM
Finally got the wheels off, with an extending wheel brace, doesn't look like they have been off for years....did my blinkin back in as well.

Anyway, as promised here are the pictures of my strip down so far;
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 04, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
And the accumulation of bits for sale to the chap off z3roadster.org;
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 04, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
Should get the other wheel arch protector off tomorrow, along with the drivers side sill and, hopefully, the rear wheel arch protectors and the rear bumper.

Nurofen for my back tonight   :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 04, 2016, 09:01:14 PM
By the way, had a chat with Seriph about an idea I had for putting on the back of my car...something that could be mistaken for "Ferrari" ...but isn't. I asked Seriph, because he is such a wiz on the computer and all round good egg, if he could do something with the name FERRIS or FERRIS B....as in FB's day off.

Here's what the clever bloke came up with, I think they could be a good alternative for anyone who wants to avoid badging OEM style, see what you think.

And big thanks to Seriph once again....he wrote;

Hi mate

not sure if this is what you mean but here goes:

http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/Steve_Ansell/media/ferrisb_zpsds4ohdvh.jpg.html?sort=6&o=17

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/FerrisB1_zpsspjpwxzb.jpg

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g364/Steve_Ansell/Ferris1_zpspiydrw5r.jpg
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on August 04, 2016, 10:54:04 PM
Quite fun
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: The-California-Man on August 13, 2016, 02:34:08 PM
hi percy,where did you get your number plate from in the end and did it all go ok,cheers cali man
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 13, 2016, 09:06:25 PM
Cali-man....check out page 3 of this thread, where all my number plate dealings are covered....it all went very well indeed   :D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on August 14, 2016, 11:51:19 AM
Yep me also, The car now has a 1963 plate.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 14, 2016, 04:40:59 PM
Dock - when is yours back from paint, I can't wait to see it....if it is done as well as that test piece it should be stunning.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 14, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
Final picture of strip, I got my brother-in-law to help me get the bonnet off.

Of to DNA tomorrow....yippee  ;D

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on August 14, 2016, 05:26:35 PM
Good work buddy get that body fitted ready for me :) :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on August 14, 2016, 07:59:05 PM
Take a photo of the vin plate that's on the wheel arch
If you change the title of the car with the dvla they might need to see it
Once the wings are on you won't be able to see it
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 15, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
What a great tip, thanks Tricky.....I have taken several.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 15, 2016, 11:06:37 AM
And there she goes, a short wait now for the DNA boys to fit the body, then back to mine for a first fit of the electrics.

George, the guy who picked it up....smashing fella.

Right, clean out the garage I suppose and then catch up with my household chores, so I can get straight on it when it comes back  :D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 20, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
Message from Brian yesterday; all brackets fitted and priming done, body fit starts Monday.

I will try and nip down next week and get some snaps.

Guy from the Z forum came and picked up all my spare panels yesterday....nice chap....few quid gained...but, more importantly, garage space gained.

I am posting on the Zroadster.org forum and there is a lot (I mean a lot) of interest.....Brian take note   :o
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: 360MKbuild on August 20, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Good news :)

Glad all went fine with George, I will be asking for him to collect mine next time. I'm popping to DNA in a week or so, be great to see your car if still there
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 26, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
Kit turned up a bit late.....so should still be there.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: The-California-Man on September 03, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
hi percy,how long before its back from dna?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 03, 2016, 06:31:44 PM
Should be back Wednesday....to be fair Brian and the lads were working like Trojans to get it ready for Friday, but I told them that the middle of next week would be OK.

They are doing some extras for me as well, which has stretched it a bit.

As long as I have it back and ready to go for paint on the 12th (only a week Monday) I am happy.

I expect Beemaman to have it for 4 weeks, then a quick fit up for the road and off for the new hood.

Looks like I will have to wait quite a while for the wires ....but at least I don't need them till spring....that reminds me, got to order the lowering springs as well!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: The-California-Man on September 06, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
hi percy,you still getting your car back tomorow? what extras are you having done or is that a secret!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 06, 2016, 08:40:20 PM
Yep, due back tomorrow. The extras....just bits I would not have had time to do, like fit and trim bumpers, fit exhaust...that sort of thing.

Hopefully get some snaps....then I have the man booked to ship it to Beemaman's place for paint starting Monday.

Got a new hood booked for back end of October, but may put this back till spring, not sure yet.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 08, 2016, 01:26:37 PM
Got the car back from DNA yesterday, looks and sounds (they fitted the exhaust for me) great.

Can only admire it over the weekend, and have to remove the bumpers, ready for shipping to Beemaman on Monday, its all go!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 08, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
I have put the new hood back till the spring....don't want to create any false deadlines.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: The-California-Man on September 08, 2016, 07:08:09 PM
looking good percy,not long now.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on September 08, 2016, 08:48:10 PM
He does do a good job doesn't he  (but don't tell him I said that)!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 22, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Cars been at Beemamans for nearly two weeks now and he continues his meticulous preparation for paint. Whole car baked in the oven at 4 different temperatures to release pin holes in FG;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 22, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
And then continues with prep;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 22, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
Back three quarters almost ready;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on September 22, 2016, 09:51:51 PM
how has he found it to work on ?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 23, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
Not sure yet....will ask when he is finished.
P
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 02, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
Where's all your pics buddy lol :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 02, 2016, 07:43:41 PM
Stand by old mate....firstly, I have to try and extract them off the phone.... and I am a technology dimwit.

Secondly....been busy in the garage shaping my headlight covers....because I am in Germany Mon/Tues and want to drop them over to you on Thursday...the external circumference is just about there, just a bit more tidying required.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on October 02, 2016, 08:45:59 PM
Sir P.  I take my pictures on my iPhone and email them to myself.  It gives me the option of the size of file it sends so I can size them to fit.  It doesn't change the size of the picture, just the size of the file.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 04, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
That's useful Mick, thanks....will try and get Wayne's pictures on tomorrow
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 05, 2016, 09:19:09 PM
Right, at last you might say, some of the pictures that Wayne has taken for me while the car is in prep for paint;

Firstly the side vent hole had been cut a little over generously. I could line the vent up to cover the hole but it was difficult. So, Wayne cut a fillet, which he placed behind the offending corner of the hole and then meticulously filled over the fillet to re-blend the hole and make it smaller;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 05, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
Then he had a go at making the fuel flap shut lines better. Mainly because he says the lines will close up after the application of polyester and paint;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 05, 2016, 09:24:21 PM
And here are a few others as the prep reaches it's final stages;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 05, 2016, 09:25:27 PM
Hopefully the next pictures I post will be the car resplendant in poly.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 15, 2016, 01:23:03 PM
Some pics of car ready for polyester
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 15, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
A few more courtesy of sir pircival :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 15, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
Had a few alignment areas to sort out around boot lid and and bonnet so all moved around and levelled out ready for polyester.body is now looking very straight and aligned near perfectly

Dropped exhausts down to allow access to paint under body

All the bumpers and grilles etc have been done and sent off to chrome so next weeks job is to polyester then start blocking all down nice and flat

Paint colour has now been sorted and we have 2 choices so just waiting for the OK off Percy to which one he wants it in ?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 16, 2016, 07:01:49 PM
Looking great Wayne....and thanks for doing the technology bit for me.

In the meantime while you are busy making my car ready for Poly, I was at a loose end....until I remembered the front grille.

On a 250 the grille comes as a kit of parts that has to be assembled, painted, and then the front edges sanded of and polished to look chrome.

The grille kit is really accurate because Brian has had the aluminium laser cut...so it fits together really snugly. I was also a bit worried because spraying satin black from a can in the garage, once the car is back, could be asking for trouble. So I decide now is the best time to get it assembled.

The photo's show it fitted together loosely and with a rough clean up of the edges. Also started to polish the front edges so that the paint will be less inclined to stick to a bit shinier edge so, when I come to polish up the edge after paint it should be a bit less work. Then I will take it apart again, degrease and paint with etch primer and then top coat.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 16, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Looking good Percy :)

If you etch prime it first then make sure you prime over that before applying topcoat as its possible it may react as etch needs priming normally first

Will look great Finnished :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 20, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
 3 x 2.5 ltr polyester now applied and looking pretty straight.leave for 2-3 days to go hard then long process of blocking it all mostly off to a straight as possible finnish
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 20, 2016, 02:06:07 PM
a few more
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: 360MKbuild on October 20, 2016, 02:17:28 PM
😎 Wow. that's how it's done correctly. Perce has got to be happy with that. Looking brill Wayne
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on October 20, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Yep.  Put lots on and then take most of it off.  The only way.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on October 20, 2016, 07:24:51 PM
First class work as usual from a perfectionist
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 20, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
Fabulous isn't it?

I think it looks like a sculpture, or one of those full size clay models they used to make as the basis of a new cars shape, before cad/cam.

Rosso Bordeux is going to be the colour, and I shall own bragging rights having the first 250 painted by Wayne  :o

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on October 21, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Oh mama! This is going to be an exceptional example.

BTW I think I read somewhere that the chrome headlight surrounds are from the mini. I keep looking at them and think I must have misread. They don't 'seem' to be elongated enough. Can anyone confirm/clarify ... thanks!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on October 21, 2016, 10:12:08 PM
Re headlamp bezels.  On the real mini there are two chrome bits.  The first holds the head lamp unit to the mounting shell which is held into the bucket by a spring and an outer bezel that covers all this lot.  On the BMW replica.  No idea.  Never played with one.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 22, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Hi guys

Thank you the cars looking good even before blocking :) polyester is a great product and will make a whole lot of differance to the fibreglass look.you can't disguise big dips or panels that are not moulded straight but will be a nice flat surface ready to prime.

Started on one panel and it's proper thick lol but most of it will come back off good job I have dust extraction :) but does feel and look pretty straight.

Percy when you popping in to look at your colour choices ? I have straight bordeux and one with a pearl flip to it ?

So next week is a long process of blocking and my arms falling off :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 22, 2016, 07:21:13 PM
Wayne....discussed with Missus....straight Bordeaux please without any metalics.

Mini headlamp cover.....I thought the same and bought a second hand one of ebay just to try it....nope, no good, not big enough....another 15 quid down the s bend....but worth a try.

Started etch priming the front grill aluminium today...looks good.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on October 22, 2016, 11:26:10 PM
Yeah I thought the Mini-ring wouldn't do it. A shame but they weren't exactly the right shape anyway. Provided you can find a competent laser guy, I believe these would be a fairly straightforward item. Of course, I'm saying this without seeing one!

The plexiglass cover is sorted isn't it? I hope to build one of these eventually and will likely opt for a projector headlight setup if I can. I know that's nothing like original but in the case of the headlights I'm ok with that. Way too much 'bouncing beef' around here to use anything less!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on October 23, 2016, 09:03:20 AM
Ref post 113.

A bit like the Karate Kid then.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 23, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Too right Seriph....don't want you decimating the "roo" population....get one of them stuck in your radiator and you are going to know about it  :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 23, 2016, 03:50:57 PM
As for the headlight covers and surrounds they are fine, but very time consuming to cut to shape and also very difficult to be accurate. I have done the outside circumference of the surround, so that Wayne could see how they fit to the recesses built into the front clip. Used the old dremel, but you have to be really careful.

I am dreading doing the inside cut on the outside ring that gets chromed, as we all know, chroming, whether metal or hydro, will show up any imperfections.

They have done it from the same vac form moulding so you get two sets. Both like the moulding you get an Easter Egg in. One has the outside ring scribed on it, so the bulbous bit is just cut out and discarded, and the other the bulbous bit is the bit you want....if you see what I mean.

I think DNA silicone them in when finished, but I have been trying to come up with an alternative to such a permanent fit. I thought about magnetic strips, or industrial strength velcro.....but it's making sure they don't fall off, and that they remain waterproof....maybe Velcro with a small section P seal would work....or even a flat seal....I don't know, will have a fiddle when I get it back.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on October 24, 2016, 12:28:46 AM
what about leaving tabs that fit into recesses?

BTW I was in the RAAF and recognise a certain sig :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on October 24, 2016, 02:51:53 PM
You are right....30 years in the mob....did a big tour of Aus in 95 or 96 (forget which) when I was with the Red Arrows....started in Darwin and worked our way down to Sydney...flew in formation over the Opera House on Australia day.

Good times....nothing but admiration for RAAF....good mates, good fun...hopefully the old ties will get even stronger after Brexit   ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 27, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
hi

been blocking all week till my arms are about to fall off :) half car is done heres a few pics of how its looking after a good block down.theres 3 coats of thick polyester to block off and its so hard so takes a lot of effort and time.
2 boxes of 120 strips/2 boxes of 180 strips/2 boxes of 320 strips plus lots of elbow grease lol
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 27, 2016, 01:32:44 PM
heres a few more
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on October 27, 2016, 01:44:18 PM
really looking good now you can see the high spots coming through.after this its 2 coats of 2k primer surfacer and block again
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 23, 2016, 08:43:12 PM
So it's been 11 weeks now without the car, so as I have said before I have been getting on with the bits I can do with it being away.

I have been working again on the grill. Each individual rail has had a thorough polishing with 240, then 400, then 800, then 1200 and then autosol metal polish, before assembly, all looking nice.

Fitted the brackets to the second rail up from the bottom. Fixed them with machine screws and nuts, then put Gorilla glue on the nuts and along the exposed edge of the bracket. Anyone who has not used this glue should know that it is similar to the expanding foam you can buy for filling large holes, in that it expands. Great for getting into small crevices (not so good for getting a tight fit when joining two pieces together....you must clamp it or the expanding action pushes the two pieces apart).

It did as promised and found its way between the brackets and the rails, giving extra strength. I also dropped a couple of spots onto the nuts to ensure they don't come undone. All nicely, nicely.

Then came how to ensure the whole grill structure remained rigid. DNA recommend pinning it from the back with small screws....after I broke a 1,5mm drill in the tiny hole I was trying to drill, I gave up and decided to come up with a different method.

I bought a couple of small right angle brackets from a DIY shop (35p each) and used these at the ends where there is a right angle join between the rails (see pictures). I fixed them by drilling through and attaching with TEK screws. The drill end of the screws came right through so I just ground them off with a Dremel.

Then how to make the rest rigid. DNA say you can grind out a groove on the back where the rails interlock and then epoxy in the groove. I gave it a go but with a Dremel grinder it was going to take a month of Sundays....so instead I drilled shallow pilot holes at each intersection then used a big drill to put an indentation at each junction point, making sure the cut exposed metal on both the upright and horizontal rails. I did a couple of extra "craters" either side of the brackets, again for additional strength.

I may do a few more yet....it is surprisingly quick and easy. I will then fill each crater with JB weld, holding horizontal and vertical rails together, then smooth it off and spray with satin black.....this is all at the very back of the grill, including the brackets, so will not be visible when fitted to the car.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on November 23, 2016, 09:58:52 PM
Looking great mate :) not long now starting to paint some of the bits this week inside door and bonnet etc.

Ile post some pics up of progress.car all blocked down now ready for primer.bottom of doors ive cut off the lower lip and rewelded skins together and re screwed so it's flush.inside sills all blended now and shaped up.will be all in primer for next week and start paintwork on the shell :) :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 23, 2016, 11:36:33 PM
Stunning work. I'm feeling extremely inspired.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 25, 2016, 08:51:21 PM
Finished the headlight surround and lense today....came out pretty good I think;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 25, 2016, 08:52:14 PM
Surrounds now ready for chroming....they go off on Monday.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 26, 2016, 08:30:23 AM
Bloody hell they're nice. Chroming that just amazes me. Is it sanded acrylic?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on November 26, 2016, 01:42:24 PM
Great work Percy
You can see how the cars looking Monday it's ready for primer and so is the doors and by mid week they will be starting to get in paint :) :)

All parts I've blended in so no z3 to fibreglass now showing. Think you will be very happy at the finish of them all :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 26, 2016, 07:21:36 PM
Great stuff, be over on Monday and I will bring the headlight surrounds for chroming.

Had my first disaster today. Drilling the last hole in one of the lenses I must have twisted  the drill....snap....big crack....ruined....have to get another from DNA  :'(

Decided on another method for the other one....small pilot hole opened up with a conical grinding wheel fitted to the dremel....dead easy and much less likely to cause a crack than putting the larger drill through it....worked well....wish I has thought of that before...but hey/ho...live and learn.

At least it wasn't the surrounds.

Seriph - yep acrylic, cut to shape and then rubbed over with 1200 grit.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on November 27, 2016, 11:10:08 AM
Sir P.

A little trick I've used on thin plastic/FG is to use the drill running backwards.(also works well for drilling rubber).  It stops the drill from digging in and ripping the plastic.  If you can using a wump behind the component to back it up helps if you can get to the back of that bit.  Using an old/blunt drill also helps if your drilling FG.
Another trick I've heard but I've never used is to use an undersized drill with a bit of wet or dry wrapped round it.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: anudimension on November 27, 2016, 12:27:52 PM
use a blunt drill bit
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 27, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
That's interesting gents.....as I did the opposite....I bought a flashy box of super-sharp brand new drill bits to use on the build.....so that was my downfall ::)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on November 27, 2016, 07:05:43 PM
FG is funny stuff to work with.  When I was in the car industry we had to drill and tap an FG fixture.  After we had done about 15 holes the bolts wouldn't screw into the holes, the FG had worn the taps out.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 27, 2016, 07:51:58 PM
Understand.....used to working with metal....will be more careful from now on.....I will dig out my worn out bits for FG and acrylic work.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 27, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
A great reminder to us all! I avoid using a drill for that very reason. As a model maker for many years, I used a range of burrs etc. sorry that you had to learn a hard lesson. Luckily a replacement is readily available!

The 'reverse' drilling idea is perfect.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 27, 2016, 09:38:55 PM
I am interstate at the moment but I'll try some specialised bits I have at home (super cheap, bought from China) ...
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 28, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Should be just the job....all the Chinese stuff I buy is blunt out of the box.... :D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 28, 2016, 11:42:41 PM
Where a thing is made isn't the issue. How, is what matters :)

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 29, 2016, 04:04:33 PM
You are right, I should not generalise.

I have had some good stuff from China......sweet and sour chicken, egg fried rice.....and even the odd tool that didn't give up at first go.....really its always my fault for thinking things are cheap because they are a bargain.....rather than just cheap....as in junk (and I don't mean a Chinese boat)! 

Confucious said "Man who boils potato's and pees in the same pot is unhygienic"
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 30, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
LOL. I have some great products from there but also some bloody garbage .... same from the US/UK/AUS etc. too. :)

I'm starting to dream about the 2Fifity .... oh mama!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 09, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
Here are some pictures of the car in primer, Wayne has been flatting it ready for paint next week. Great detailing.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 09, 2016, 09:32:19 PM
More pictures soon.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on December 09, 2016, 10:17:20 PM
I just found my original Modena Spyder (Bueller!?) pics from when I attended the HUGE car show in Pomona Cal. in '89. I'll post them once I have photographed and adjusted the pics

But ... get ready for a surprise ;)

Eventually I will find the original Modena brochure and post that as well .... it's yummy
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 10, 2016, 05:57:51 PM
A couple more pictures:

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 10, 2016, 05:59:31 PM
Nice attention to detail....should have some colour on next week.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on December 12, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
Good day Sirrah!

Great to see such dedication to excellence ... I am keenly awaiting progress!

I imagine your attention to detail will run to creating a sumptuous interior  -  I'm sure you've seen my various posts regarding some of the details ... right now I am trying to work out a way to include tech invisibly into the cockpit. I'm currently waiting for delivery of a vinyl that looks like knurled stainless steel to 'face' a custom period-appropriate console. The idea is to have the fascia slide up to reveal a Pioneer DVD/GPS/BT/Reverse Cam etc. unit. If the vinyl is crappy (which I believe it may well be) I will consider doing a solid or perhaps even a tambour style console fascia

I am also researching the "Tri-Bar" headlights that feature on various vintage vehicles and trying to work out the viability of making accessory sets that will clip on the grille mounted spotlights (need to know what diameter the originals are, actually .... anyone?)  .... I had thought of doing them on the main headlights as well and while that's still a possibility, I think it would likely be too much. I'm aware that there are headlights already available and aftermarket clip-on covers, but for me, they seem a bit clunky. I'm thinking to laser cut stainless "ribs" that fix to the rim of the spotty and are held in the centre by a small slotted dome.

(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/pixelsmith/Post-It/MG1100halogenOffcu.jpg)

Finally, my search for acceptable door handles, taillights, chrome trims, switches etc continues .... it's not that I don't 'want' to source them from the UK .... it's that finding suppliers in Australia will mean I can keep costs and delivery times down. It may also be helpful when assisting other builders in Australia.

Anyway, if I can help anyone with info or if there are any fellow-Aussies interested in this project, it might actually be one that we can get registered/insured here in Australia.

BTW I watched Ferris Bueller's Day Off again last night  -  and listened in key spots, to the director's comments. Lots of fun :)  -  I have said it before and I will say it again ... the DNA product appears superior to the Modena ones.

ps. I am leaning now, toward the deep grey metallic, with possibly a cream or red interior. The gap in between to two gauges is ideal for a discrete telltale cluster I think .... but maybe that is going too modern for the old gal

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/47/df/bf/47dfbf6a632239dda4f6eee3c263649c.jpg)

(http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/2/7/1/5/2/9/i/2/5/1/p-large/IMG_8834.JPG)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on January 01, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
I see your cars in a nice ruby red
Love the fact people are being bold and picking different colours
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2017, 07:32:01 PM
Thanks mate, yeah it's looking really good, should be home soon......I wanted to ask you about the badges you bought....have you fitted them yet and, if so, how did it go?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
Here are a few pictures of the bits Wayne has mopped and polished so far;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2017, 08:11:43 PM
They give a good indication of the colour.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
One more;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 02, 2017, 12:23:57 AM
hmmm ... navy top and navy trim with burgundy piping? :)

(http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/1958-Ferrari-250-GT-LWB-California-Spider-RM-Sothebys-04.jpg)

(http://d39a3h63xew422.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/21120626/you-can-actually-buy-this-blue-on-blue-chip-ferrari-california-spider-1476934283528.jpg)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 02, 2017, 12:25:12 AM
... and in case folks might enjoy and be inspired by seeing what the tool roll looks like ...


(http://d39a3h63xew422.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/21120630/you-can-actually-buy-this-blue-on-blue-chip-ferrari-california-spider-1476934283491.jpg)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on January 02, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
Cars looking absolutely beautiful buddy the colour in the flesh is so much vibrant than in the pics :)

Once you've added the chrome to this it will stand out so well :)

Apologies for not getting back for Xmas but you know the extra things we've had to tackle to make this as factory as possible and to get the colour exactly the way you wanted.just polishing now buddy and refit boot and bonnet and a good tidy up and it's done :)

If your local pop in take a look :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 02, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
hmmm ... navy top and navy trim with burgundy piping? :)

(http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/1958-Ferrari-250-GT-LWB-California-Spider-RM-Sothebys-04.jpg)

(http://d39a3h63xew422.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/21120626/you-can-actually-buy-this-blue-on-blue-chip-ferrari-california-spider-1476934283528.jpg)

....wife says "nah"
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 02, 2017, 09:36:43 PM
These are lighter than I was thinking but happy wife ...

Cream pasha leather is incredible - is that the way you're leaning?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on January 03, 2017, 12:05:33 PM
The tool roll.  My kind of engineering.  If in doubt get a bigger hammer.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 05, 2017, 07:22:00 PM
Paint just about finished.....home next week....warm up the spanners  :D

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 06, 2017, 06:51:17 AM
Wondering if anyone has been researching potentially suitable steel bumpers that would fit it be adaptable. I've been looking at a few but don't know the required dimensions across the vehicle, or radius of the corners.

That said, I think it'd be worthwhile to at least try to source steel ones. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on January 06, 2017, 07:27:54 PM
Brian has - can't remember the price, but they're not cheap
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on January 06, 2017, 10:57:08 PM
Percy - really looking to see this with chrome on. Already looks good, but I think it will look even better with it.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 07, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
Thanks Tom....I think so too.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 07, 2017, 10:18:19 PM
Is she brown or burgundy? Either way, I imagine the fit & finish will be breathtaking. Perhaps I might get a ride in her if I visit? :))))))))
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 07, 2017, 10:46:03 PM
Rosso Bordeaux - an original flat colour from 1961.....very dark red
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on January 08, 2017, 10:45:38 AM
Seriph - here's a TdF in the colour
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 08, 2017, 11:11:50 AM
You know me bro - I looked it up as soon as the colour was mentioned :D

Brilliant colour.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 08, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
BTW do those twist-off buttons on the sills cover jack points?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: 360MKbuild on January 09, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
here's a vid of Wayne's work, looks awesome, Percy you have to be over the moon with the finish. thanks Lee for sorting vid :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzRnUPTwKs
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 11, 2017, 07:42:05 PM
Car returned home today. Very pleased with it, Wayne has done a fantastic job. Neighbours already impressed. Just got to avoid scratching it while I am working on it.

Great job and great to have it home. Spring change starts this weekend  ;D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 11, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
here's a vid of Wayne's work, looks awesome, Percy you have to be over the moon with the finish. thanks Lee for sorting vid :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzRnUPTwKs

Yep, dead happy with Wayne's work, looks fantastic. Thanks for uploading the video  :D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 14, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
Got the wiper spindles up through the holes....more difficult than you would think as the wheel boxes can make contact with the bottom of the windscreen before you can get the spindles through. It makes a sort of V shaped space. You just have to wrestle them for a bit to get the right angle. Once you can get the spindles to go through the holes the wheel boxes just pop up and there is plenty of room underneath. I checked them out and they work fine (without the arms fitted) but I don't seem to have the nuts to do the final fit....I will ask Brian for some.

Also got the whole front end jacked up and the axle stands in and both front wheels off, for the spring change. There are only 6 bolts to get the front shocks and springs off, and 3 of those are on the top of the McPherson strut, so shouldn't be too difficult. I have wd40'd the bottom ones, ready for tomorrow.

I have decided that while the front is up on stands I am going to do everything required in each wheel well. So I will be doing the spring in the near side well, then I will do the lights and wiring, and then the inner muck guards. This will include the headlight, indicators and indicator repeaters. Only then will I move over to the off side, and do the whole lot there.

Before I drop it down I will get the tyres fitted to the wire wheels and fit them too.

That's plan A anyway.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 14, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Can't wait. I'd help if I was there :)))))
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 15, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
So started trying to undo the nuts at the bottom of the near side shocker....man they were tight, couldn't budge them, even using my extending wheel brace.

So I thought I would apply some heat with a small gas gun I've got....then I had second thoughts, didn't really want naked flames in my garage....so I used my hot air gun, put it on max and heated the bolts for about five minutes, snickety snick they all cracked off.

No flames, no chance of setting the garage (or my trousers) on fire, great solution.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 21, 2017, 08:02:11 PM
First lowering spring and strut back in the car. Bit of a pig to do, but the next one should only take half as long. No damage to paintwork.

Seats, rear bulkhead and door cards on order. Should just leave me short of dashboard, instruments, centre tunnel and carpet set.

Have decided against beige hood, going for Burgundy, sample on the way from the hood maker.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 21, 2017, 10:54:52 PM
Do you want me to have a go at photoshopping one to try and show what the burgundy hood might look like? I agree that tan risks looking off, but am wondering if traditional black might work better for the period look.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 22, 2017, 01:22:15 PM
Sure, have a go.
P
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Brian (DNA Automotive) on January 22, 2017, 02:55:34 PM
Burgundy definitely Percie !!!!!
The right shade will look so expensive .
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 22, 2017, 04:56:44 PM
Thanks Brian, I agree, got to be the right shade....samples on the way.

Hoping to nip in next week and scrounge a couple of nuts to hold the wipers on....you know those thin ones.

Also need to have a look how the muck guards fit in the wheel arches.

Couldn't get on the car today....Father in Law emergency...
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 23, 2017, 08:54:20 PM
Did an hour tonight....second shock out of the car and the spring removed....quite straightforward now I have the knack... and some better spring compressors.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 27, 2017, 08:18:19 PM
Right that's it. Both front lowering springs fitted, and the struts back in the car.

If the first one was a pig the second was only a piglet.

Glad they are done though  :D 

Drilling holes for the front indicators tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: beemaman on January 28, 2017, 12:31:38 PM
Great news buddy :)

Don't forget lots of masking tape then a blunt drill bit on a slow speed stop the splintering :)

We need pics :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 28, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
Good reminder....after the headlight cover I will remember.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 28, 2017, 08:12:30 PM
OK cut the holes for both front indicators and fitted them.

First picture shows it taped up and a cardboard templte inserted to get the middle for drilling

Second shows the hole cut

Third shows lens fitted with tape still in place

Final with tape removed

Both dead central. Used a tapered hole boring tool, hardly any dust, just shavings and no paint damage at all.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 28, 2017, 09:58:44 PM
Now you're talking!!!! A bit "white" to my eye but it is probably just a combo of conditions, etc ... still, Judy lovely work
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on January 28, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
The old Minor 1000 had lights similar to these.  The rubber housing fitted from the outside and the metal bulb holder was held to this and the body by three self tappers.  The glass was held in by the shape of the rubber boot and a chrome ring went over the glass and locked into the rubber boot.  The return was via the metal bulb holder.
The problem with this system was the glass would fill with water and corrode the spring that pushed up against the contact on the bulb.
The last of the models had plastic lenses so you could drill a drain hole in the bottom or a small hole in the bottom of the rubber boot ( if you run the drill backwards it saves ripping the rubber).  You could also use a stainless spring or some non creep white grease.
You can also drill clearance holes in the FG and use spire nuts to save chipping the paint.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 29, 2017, 07:37:16 PM
Now you're talking!!!! A bit "white" to my eye but it is probably just a combo of conditions, etc ... still, Judy lovely work

There are no bulbs fitted at the moment....and they will be orange....so it will tone down.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 29, 2017, 07:46:56 PM
"Judy" is featuring a bit in my posts lately. Sorry about that :) I blame my sausage thumbs and aging eyes

So .... apologies, I thought they were 'lit' - as ever, lovely work. Glass lenses sound like the go. Obviously, both lens materials require hand tightening of the screws. I recall when I split my first 911 taillight lens while using my new cordless driver drill. That produced some choice words.

I know Sir does not suffer from such foibles. :)  ... just thought to mention it

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 29, 2017, 07:49:44 PM
Hay, I can be cack-handed as the next man.

Tip for torque loading nuts - "tighten them up until they shear....then back half a turn"

Regards
Judy
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on January 29, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
In my youth ( that's a long time ago ) we torqued things up by the number of grunts it took.  This somewhat impirical method fails when one person is 8 & 1/2 stone soaking wet and another is 14 stone and works out.

Sir P.  Your method is not far short of one approved method.  An electronically controlled torque wrench is used, which monitors the applied torque and resistance in real time.  As the screw or the base material reaches the yield point the torque suddenly drops.  The electronics detects this and records the applied torque just before the yield point.  This is used the tightening torque in production.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on January 30, 2017, 08:19:00 AM
:)

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 05, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
Finally got the headlight wiring sorted;

The Red wire from the supplied headlight unit is the sidelight and connects to one wire on the Z3 sidelight

The black wire and the blue/white wire attach to the Z3 dip headlight wiring

The blue wire connects to one of the wires on the Z3 halogen headlight

No need for separate earths as they earth through the loom (there are a million earth points on a Z)

Can't give specific colours as they are different for both sides of the Z3.....and I can't tell what they are anyway....one looks like Larks tongue/Elephants toenail, and one of the others squid ink/unicorn vomit....just keep connecting them different ways till it works.

I hate electrics.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 09, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
Both headlights fitted. Near side fully connected up and working. Try and connect off side tomorrow, if not then at the weekend,

Then try and get the indicator repeaters installed and wire up all the front indicators.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 19, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
OK left hand side repeater indicator drilled and fitted, Got a nice hole with no paint damage and a nice snug fit, in fact so snug I greased it up with a bit of washing up liquid to get it in.

However, they are quite long, so I slid a nice tight fitting plastic washer over the back of it before holding it in place with a tie-wrap.

Wired it all up....bingo....all working.

Will try and get the other side finished by next weekend....worst job will be making sure both repeaters are in exactly the same place...other than that fairly straightforward.

Will take some pictures soon...but they currently don't come out too well because the car is nose-in, in the garage....which means the flash fires and you get a lot of reflection, and this makes the car look far darker than it is.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on February 19, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Well done man - looking forward to seeing this!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on February 22, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
Folks have probably seen this but just in case, here's a gold one

https://youtu.be/Vo69VlNRlDM
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on February 23, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Great clip - keep it up.

Note to self: Never do a DNA 250 in Gold!  Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 23, 2017, 07:03:47 PM
Red one looks OK for Oddjob, I will take the gold one.

Regards
Auric Goldfinger   (wha, whaah-wha-wha wha)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on February 23, 2017, 08:45:38 PM
Sir P.   There are ducks at the marina that laugh like that.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 23, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
ha haa....it was supposed to be the opening of the Shirley Bassey song....
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on February 24, 2017, 08:30:58 AM
Not surprised no one got that. It should have been:
Da daa-da-da da  ;D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 24, 2017, 12:11:43 PM
You are right Maestro...on both counts....the music and the gold....looks horrible.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 27, 2017, 02:27:58 PM
Quick update; Both front indicators and side repeaters fitted, wired and operational. Orange bulbs fitted to front ones. All very bright and clear....smashing.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on February 27, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
Can't wait to see the finished car Percy. Not long now?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 03, 2017, 03:36:51 PM
Quick update; Both front indicators and side repeaters fitted, wired and operational. Orange bulbs fitted to front ones. All very bright and clear....smashing.

You can get chrome plated indicator bulbs on Ebay for a few quid. Stops the clear indicators having the "fried egg" appearance but still flash amber.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 03, 2017, 09:03:56 PM
Thanks, yeah I am aware of those, but this was a quick trip to Halfords...they will do for MOT....might change after if I don't like "fried eggs"

Did a few prep jobs this week, wipers nearly finished, washers checked and prepped (had lost the windscreen washer pipe in amongst the bodywork....so operated the washer, looked where the water was coming from, and there it was)

First back light assembled, holes "modified" a little, and it's now ready to fit.

I will probably leave this now though because at the moment the front end is up on stands. Getting tyres fitted to the wire wheels next week so will be able to fit the front ones, drop the front off the stands and get the back on stands instead, so I can change out the rear springs. Having it up with the back wheels removed will make wiring the back lights easier.

I kept the rear light back plate bulb holders, so hoping to wire directly into the back plates, then the plug can stay operational and the back plates will be able to go back on and cover the old Z3 rear light holes and hide all the wiring....all nice and neat in the boot then.

Intend to try and tidy up all the front wiring (split convoluted tube is a wonderful thing) then fit the front grill chrome surround, and the front grill itself and maybe the bumper and spots. Will also try and finalise the wipers and washers....sounds perfectly feasible but sometimes things just take longer than you think....so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 05, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
Fitted the grill surround and, after some additional fettling, the grill. Also started to fit the near side spotlight...man it is a pig to get to the nut, and there is not a great deal of thread showing, impossible to fit a flat washer and a spring washer as it stops the nut from reaching the thread.

So it's temporarily fitted with just the plain nut...I will find an M10 nyloc nut to replace the plain one, and then I can get away with just fitting the plain washer.

Forearms ripped to shreds...aerial photo of spaghetti junction....in blood  :-\

Looks good though, gaps between the grill and surround all uniform. Spot looks great...but only supplied with very short wires, I will probably have to extend them.

Then front bumper fit....I said these things always take longer than I think...at least I was right about something  ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 06, 2017, 08:30:15 AM
I've been using stainless steel flange nuts, very cheap on Ebay. You can get away without using a washer or spring washer. The inner flange is serrated so it acts as a locking washer.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 06, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
Good idea....I've ordered some.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 07, 2017, 10:37:57 AM
Always thought there were no RHD calis ever built.

Apparently there was one

http://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/used/1961/classic/ferrari/1961-classic-ferrari-moira-swadlincote-for-sale-2591

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 07, 2017, 10:40:25 AM
Now I'm even more confused

https://youtu.be/IDe5xaMtcTc
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 07, 2017, 11:25:20 AM
The second one looks more LWB to me, than SWB.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 07, 2017, 06:38:22 PM
Don't think so. Didn't the LWB have different door handles and slotted steering wheel? Though those two features are easily changed, the one bit the says SWB to me is the guard vent. I believe all LWBs had a four slot opening not three.

But there are other oddities too ... though they may be due to my lack of research or ferrari's constant prototyping.

It's fun finding out though :)

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 07, 2017, 07:30:56 PM
Got the tyres fitted to my wire wheels today 205/65/15 on the front and 215/65/15 on the back.

Went for Dunlop Sport Blu Response all round, nice tread pattern.

They look fabulous.....make the wheels look super shinetastic   8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 07, 2017, 07:41:16 PM
Good choice, I have fitted 215/65x15, set of 4 with nearly new tread for £55 including a set of alloys I can sell on. Seems to be a popular fitting for the Kia Sedona! The 65 profiles seem to have a higher speed rating, many of the 70 profiles are C rated for commercials.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on March 07, 2017, 10:01:38 PM
Same tyres as I went for - you can feel the difference in grip.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 08, 2017, 01:30:04 AM
I'm wondering how challenging it'd be to reduce the track by 50mm per side, to be able to fit a deeper offset witecwheel that more closely resembles the originals. Any suspension geniuses out there who might have insights?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 08, 2017, 07:15:18 PM
The earlier small engine cars had a narrower rear track. You can reduce yours by fitting their shorter drive shafts (and probably some other parts).
There is someone on Ebay in Wiltshire selling complete 1.9's (minus leather seats & hoods) for £275. Only really useful for scrap but a cheap way of getting
a complete rear end to bolt in.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on March 08, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Yep - its been done. Also provide the option to put knock-off rims on.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 08, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
Bloody brilliant!!!! When I sent the pics to a wire wheel expert here in Melbourne, he immediately noted that he could supply a wheel that had a deeper dish but that they'd stick out around 50mm further. Hence my question.

Apparently he sends wheels to the U.K. a bit. I'm looking forward to building a few of these ... if the planets align.

I'd love to know if any other Aussies on the forum are interested to collaborate in order to achieve a better result and save money on shipping. So far I have been working on a number of the finishing details and plan to make replica steering wheels and am exploring the possibilities of doing primary instrument clusters using the Z's existing instruments (modified of course) and electronics. Wheels too, obviously. Plan to speak with a wheel maker I know who can potentially copy the external rim section closer to the originals.

And as you all know, I'm exploring making functional quarterglasses to hopefully provide context.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on March 10, 2017, 11:52:00 AM
Sir P.  Please excuse me for hi-jacking your post.  Regtransfers.co.uk have a reg that might interest the 250 people on here.  It's. "A250GT". No price is given, but I thought you might like to know.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 10, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
No worries Mick.......could be expensive that.......good though.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 21, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Managed to get a couple of hours on the car today, both spotlights now in, wired up and fully functional.

Will re-fit the ambient temperature sensor tomorrow (on a flat bit of the bumper metal work extension, with Velcro and a tie-wrap) Then the front bumper can go on, then the wires on the front and I can drop it down and get the back up for rear spring change first.

I need to give it a nice long anti-deterioration run....with all the checking of the front lights the battery might need a bit of charge first.

Want to get it MOT'd in the next 3 or 4 weeks, then Croydon for the new hood.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 22, 2017, 06:54:05 AM
Can't wait to see pictures of the finished car Percy. Who is the hood supplier you will use? I need to replace mine too once the car is completed.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 22, 2017, 07:08:08 AM
Really looking forward to seeing the beauty in final form. :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 22, 2017, 07:14:20 PM
Can't wait to see pictures of the finished car Percy. Who is the hood supplier you will use? I need to replace mine too once the car is completed.

Jez, I'm using soft tops of Croydon. They have a computer pattern maker for their hoods and can feed in the data to adjust the back screen size.

100 quid extra for coloured hood and another extra ton for the "special" cut. 600 quid all-in fitted, and they can fit in about 4 hours, so I don't have to stay overnight.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 22, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
Temp sensor fitted, and finally got the front bumper on. It was great to get a big blingy bit fitted at last, (and start to make a bit more room in the garage)....looks great.

Hopefully get the front wheels on tomorrow and move on to the rear.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 22, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
Photo's at the weekend...promise  ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 23, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
Managed to get one wheel fitted. The central hub diameters are so covered in rust the new wheels wouldn't easily fit over them. Had to get the dremel out and sand it all off, still a tight fit (which is good I suppose) but not good for my back.

Still one on, looks good, try and get the other front one on tomorrow.

I wish wheels fitted on studs like the old days....so much easier to line up!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on March 23, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
Sir P.   Can I suggest that you put some anti-seize compound on the centre spigot.  We had an MG Metro with alloy wheels that corroded on.  Offside puncture, in the middle of Birmingham, dark wet evening in the rush hour.  It took an AA man with a slide hammer to shift it.  All the rest of the wheels off that weekend and done.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Yes, sound advice....wheels have to come off again after the MOT to fit inner mud guards....so I will do it then.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 24, 2017, 04:47:25 PM
What wheels are you fitting?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
Bolt on 15 inch wires from MWS
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Put the drivers side front wheel on tonight. Got the dremel on it straight away and then a finger smear of grease on the inner hub diameter....sweet...went on easy.

Dropped it down off the front sticks....looks great....pictures over the weekend.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 24, 2017, 08:43:45 PM
If you are using the MWS bolt on wires for the Jags you should use spigot rings otherwise you may get quite a bit of vibration.
I used the same wheels on my Z3 and used the measurements 73.8 and 72.6. You can order them quite reasonably for about £15 a set from a seller on Ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheel-spigot-rings-STAINLESS-STEEL-custom-made-sizes-other-st-steel-items-too-/291915751509?hash=item43f788e055:g:qDMAAOSwVupTmNaM

I also used longer wobble bolts as the pcb is slightly different on the Jag and BMW.
Finally I cut two long studs to fit the hub to allow the wheel to be fitted more easily, just screw them in a few threads by hand.  The wires weigh a ton and are very hard to lift and align by one person, It is much easier to lift them onto the aligning stubs.
I wrapped most of the studs with electrical tape so that the threads don't damage the chrome. Keep them in the bag with the wheel brace.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Thanks, that's all very interesting....but my wires are made for the Z3 fit...they have a spacer already fitted inside them.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 09:39:44 PM
These ones in the MWS catalogue;

BXW978C/2-TL
Kit Car
7" x 15" Tubeless
Five Stud 120.0 mm PCD
This wheel is based on BMW Z3 running gear


Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 09:41:35 PM
The screw in stubs are a great idea though!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on March 24, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
Percy,

I used the same wires - no issues with vibrations. But I guess they have been designed to sit on BMW running gear.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 24, 2017, 09:49:14 PM
Yep, Tom, you are right, should have no bother....they were only a bit awkward to get on because of existing rust....they fit great once that was sorted.

Looks a bit odd at the moment though with wire wheels on the front and bog standard on the back.

There is one funny old thing, the wire wheels looks bigger....even though they are only 15" rather than 16"....strange! 
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on March 25, 2017, 09:01:08 AM
If yours were designed for BMW you won't have any problems. Mine were second hand from Ebay and all the older bolt-ons were for Jags. I have had one set chrome powder coated, which looks ok but
certainly isn't chrome, the 2nd set is chrome but one rim isn't too good so looking for just one to replace it.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 27, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
I pulled the car out of the garage this morning, as I have a couple of days off so trying to get some work done. Some photo's of progress so far:

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 27, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
Then I put her back in the garage jacked up the rear end and managed to get both rear springs changed. Glad to see the back of the spring changing jobs....although the back was a breeze compared to the front.

Try and get some rear light action tomorrow.

Oh by the way, all the lights on the front work great, except one spotlight, that was working, suddenly packed up....hoping it is just the fuse :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 28, 2017, 12:13:30 PM
Wayne's paintwork looks fantastic....even though it is actually filthy and covered in dust....well done Wayne  ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 28, 2017, 12:34:56 PM
This is amazing.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Dock Green on March 28, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
Looking really good mate - see what you mean that the 15" wires look bigger than the 16" alloys, odd.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 28, 2017, 08:19:54 PM
One rear light base fitted, works fine when temporarily rigged up. Not sure whether to begin final wiring on this one or mount the base for the drivers side rear.

See how I feel tomorrow.....I've still got lots to do before MOT  :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 28, 2017, 08:50:08 PM
Looking really good mate - see what you mean that the 15" wires look bigger than the 16" alloys, odd.

I think it must be because of the gap around the wheel....remember the front springs have been changed and the back hadn't when I took  the picture...an optical trick I think.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on March 29, 2017, 03:53:18 AM
I'm loving this colour mate. It is going to GLEAM in the sunlight. Excellent choice.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: OXO on March 29, 2017, 08:13:01 AM
It looks amazing ! Can't wait to see the finished project.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 29, 2017, 04:26:29 PM
Looking fantastic Percy. Well done! Will you be at any of the shows this spring/summer?

Jez
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 29, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
Hoping to get to Stoneley if I can get everything done in time. Hoping to have the outside finished....inside will be a winter job.

Will also do Ragley Hall at the end of May...it's only just down the road and a great day out....it's like a fete in Midsommer...except nobody gets killed....or they haven't yet anyway !

Last year there was a bit of a lull in proceedings, so they just asked anyone to drive into the arena and have a chops about their pride and joy. Then the PA system threw a wobbly and they were begging members of the public for some bits to fix it.....good laugh and a good day out.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 12, 2017, 09:55:07 PM
Right, a quick update.

Both rear lights fitted and all working. Rear bumper fitted, number plate lights fitted and working. All wiring tidied up with tubing etc.

Nearside rear wheel arch inner mudguard fitted. Side louvers glued together ready for stainless mesh to be fitted.

Bad news, checked fuse on the spotlight and it was not blown...I will have to re-do each connection till I find the culprit....bound to be the last one.

Tomorrow, rear nearside wheel fit, fit other rear mudguard, drop it on the floor and wheel it out for a quick clean, then back in and front up for the spotlight.

Then door handles and boot opener, finish the wipers, fit drivers mirror, fit louvers and bonnet grill.

Then proper clean and MOT. Then the rest of the chrome....if it passes !
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 13, 2017, 07:11:24 PM
Some pictures of the work on the rear, having got the rear wheels on today;
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 15, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
 😀  Looking good Percy!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 26, 2017, 08:55:50 PM
Door handles both fitted, drivers mirror fitted.

MOT yesterday, passed with zero advisories, now taxed and legal to drive.

Drive to Croydon tomorrow for new hood  :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 26, 2017, 11:24:24 PM
Will you make it to Stoneleigh Percy?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 28, 2017, 12:27:17 PM
Jez

No, decided not to....still too many bits not fitted, we should be going in it to Ragley at the end of the month though. (by the way subscribers to TKC magazine can get in to Ragley totally free)

Got new hood fitted yesterday at Croydon....journey was a nightmare, both there and back, but the hood, with the altered back window, looks fantastic. I would wholeheartedly recommend Dean at Soft-Tops, Croydon on 0208-665-7577. Nice bloke who knows his stuff....£600 all in, bargain....and it only took him 3 hours to fit....then I went and "parked" on the M25 on the way home.

Long day....but over the 240 miles the car never missed a beat....got loads of admiring looks too, even with loads of chrome bits not fitted.

We will be at Stoneleigh on Sunday, but just as ordinary punters....might see you there....if not are you doing Ragley?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 28, 2017, 12:35:08 PM
Car goes back to Wayne in 2 weeks time so he can deal with a few pin-holes and give it a final mop and polish. In the mean time I have to get the external door handles working, drop out the headlights and fit the chrome surrounds, fit the side louvres and the front inner arch mudguards. Then the electric boot opener and boot handle and the front chrome scuttle panel, under the wipers.

Then spray the top of the A pillars black and fit the chrome strips on them and on the doors.

And that is virtually the outside done....door cards and rear bulkhead inside next.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on April 28, 2017, 06:24:46 PM
Croydon is only about 8-10 miles from me and it too can take over an hour to get there ! my hoods next to be done but iam going to car hoods in chessington , opposite way to Croydon ,same miles but only 20 mins
see you at stoneleigh on Sunday Percy
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on April 28, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Great to know this beauty is inching closer to "completion" (are they ever?)

Can you please explain what has to happen with the hood? I was unaware it needed replacement with a modified unit.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 29, 2017, 07:22:31 AM
The hood does not need replacing, it all fits and works fine. It's just that when you spend all this effort on making a beautiful car, it could be let down by a ropy old hood that has seen better days. In my case the hood is awful, somebody has previously tried to change the colour from red to black, so mine will definitely be replaced.

I believe Percy has also had the hood made with a different shape rear window which makes it less Z3, and more Ferarri looking. Keen to see the photos Percy!

If you have a good one, there is no need to replace.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on April 29, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Thanks heaps for the explanation. Will definitely look into that and assess the costs of doing the same over here.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 29, 2017, 09:07:42 PM
The hood does not need replacing, it all fits and works fine. It's just that when you spend all this effort on making a beautiful car, it could be let down by a ropy old hood that has seen better days. In my case the hood is awful, somebody has previously tried to change the colour from red to black, so mine will definitely be replaced.

I believe Percy has also had the hood made with a different shape rear window which makes it less Z3, and more Ferarri looking. Keen to see the photos Percy!

If you have a good one, there is no need to replace.

Jez, sure will get some snaps next time I pull it out of the garage. The hood looks great with the back window just 75mm narrower, you don't even notice from inside the car, but now it does not look as if the window disappears below the line of the rear bodywork.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 02, 2017, 07:58:13 PM
Right both external door handles now working perfectly. Fitted the stainless steel mesh behind the one wing grill tonight ready for fitting before the inner front mud guard, finish it tomorrow, then the other one. 
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on May 02, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
can you give me a link or number for the hood guy in Croydon Percy,
good to see you on Sunday , it must of spurned you on
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on May 02, 2017, 09:07:14 PM
Someone just told me the 250GT projects cost £45K PLUS donor to build

:)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 03, 2017, 12:42:13 PM
can you give me a link or number for the hood guy in Croydon Percy,
good to see you on Sunday , it must of spurned you on

Yeah it was nice to see you again mate....pressing on with mine now.

Here are the contact details; Dean at Soft-Tops, Croydon on 0208-665-7577
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: johnjames on May 04, 2017, 07:24:21 PM
The car is looking great I do like the color, looking forward to seeing what you have done with the rear window in the new roof,

anyway enjoy driving with the roof down all the best John James    8) 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 04, 2017, 08:48:39 PM
Thanks JJ, pictures soon....but it has to go back on stands to fit the chrome around the headlights, the side grills and then the inner arch mud guards.

Hoping to get this done at the weekend then I will drop it down and pull it out of the garage for some happy snaps.
Title: New Roof
Post by: jaguartvr on May 07, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
Were they helpful when you asked for a different shaped rear window?
A new roof on mine is something that I want but I don't want a sewn in rear window as it is always the part that needs replacing first.
I was wondering if an MX5 glass rear window could be fitted into a modified roof.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 07, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
Dean was very helpful indeed and has a fully computerised cutting table, on which he cuts his own hoods from primarily Stayfast or Twillfast hood material.

I'm sure he would be pleased to discuss your requirements....his phone number is in a couple of places further back in this thread.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 18, 2017, 11:21:41 AM
Some pictures of the car with door handles fitted, side grills fitted, drivers door mirror fitted and the new hood with altered back window.

Wayne is touching it up and giving it a final mop and polish, oick it back up later today.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: johnjames on May 18, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
Hi sir Percival,
                   The car is looking really good do like the chrome bumpers are you going to fix over riders ?

Looking at the back window the only difference I can see is the bottom of the window looks a bit bigger than the normal Z3 top.

Anyway keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing more pictures of your 250 have a great weekend and what badges if any are you going to fix to the car,           JJ
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on May 18, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
Bottom of the window sits a lot higher than the standard Z3, looks a lot better and certainly hides the cars origin.

Crying out for a set of silver on black number plates, keep the yellow ones in the boot in case of a tug but I think it's very unlikely as the car is running a "A" plate.

Looking lovely
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 18, 2017, 08:48:21 PM
Here are "before" and "after" pictures of the hood window;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 18, 2017, 08:51:14 PM
Hi sir Percival,
                   The car is looking really good do like the chrome bumpers are you going to fix over riders ?

Looking at the back window the only difference I can see is the bottom of the window looks a bit bigger than the normal Z3 top.

Anyway keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing more pictures of your 250 have a great weekend and what badges if any are you going to fix to the car,           JJ

Thanks JJ

Nope, no over riders....and no badges
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 18, 2017, 08:58:10 PM
Bottom of the window sits a lot higher than the standard Z3, looks a lot better and certainly hides the cars origin.

Crying out for a set of silver on black number plates, keep the yellow ones in the boot in case of a tug but I think it's very unlikely as the car is running a "A" plate.

Looking lovely

Thanks JagTVR

I have the silver and blacks, just haven't got around to fitting them yet....I'm hoping I only have to keep the yellows for MOT days....it really is a very minor infringement, and like you say, on a car that looks like this I would think it unlikely to get pulled up for (unless something else draws their attention)....mind you it would be just my luck!!

The holder I have for the back plate just unclips...so they can be swapped over...front I will drill.

Fixing the electric boot opener over the weekend....wish me luck.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 05, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Right, internal remote boot lock fitted and working, I also fitted an extra pair of wires from it that are stowed under the rear of the car, so that if I have a flat battery I can use them to touch on a spare battery and pop the boot (very important for any other builders, because if the main car battery goes flat you will not be able to get to it, as the boot won't open!)

Fitted the new boot handle, and re-fitted the rear boot trim piece.

Fitted the bonnet grill and started fitting back some of the internal trim around the doors, after suitable modification,

Ordered some new gas struts for the boot, as they look like they have been leaking and they don't give much lift....the new lid is very heavy!

Fitted the rear reflectors...don't like them much....at the first sign of rust they can be replaced cheaply though.

Wife cleaned the inside again....finally starting to cut through the dust...and smell a bit better.

Gave the boot lid two coats of autoglym super resin polish and will finish off with two coats of Fusso 99 wax.

Started rubbing down front window surround for sticking on the chrome trim that comes with the kit....dreading doing this to be honest....getting it straight and getting the bevel cuts right....another nerve inducing job!

Started prepping the new wheel and boss for fit....then after that....door cards....at least fitting these will start to make the interior look a bit less Z3.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 05, 2017, 11:00:07 AM
Oh and fitted the black and silver number plates  :D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on June 05, 2017, 11:42:44 AM
Bloody awesome. This beastie will be such a total head turner!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on June 12, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
Do you know if the roof is Twillfast or stay fast material?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 12, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
Mine is Stayfast....I could have had Twillfast for the same money, but the colour was slightly different.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 12, 2017, 04:15:30 PM
Fitted new gas struts on the boot (took all of about 10 minutes....easiest job yet!)....what a difference...you can now open it to any position and it will stay put and it makes it so much easier to lift.

I'm not worried about it coming down on me when fully open anymore either.....a real bargain at £25 for the two.

The old ones had no pressure left in them at all....just moved in and out with zero resistance.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 12, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
Oh and fitted the new Nardi wheel....took a bit of fettling but no problem really...self-cancel still works...horn push works fine too....it does look so much better.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on June 12, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
Sounds like your are almost there!

Which boss kit/adapter did you get?

Looking forward to the next photos. Mine is going for paint in 2 weeks  :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 13, 2017, 10:31:36 AM
Its an OMP boss coupled with a nardi adapter from Europa spares. The bolt holes for fitting the slip ring on the back were not very accurate....but just about close enough.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 19, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
A couple more pictures now front bonnet grill is on, rear boot handle, windscreen chrome etc.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 19, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
By the way, the hood is not as red as it looks in the pictures !
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on June 19, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
It's looking so stunning man. A real beauty.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: tricky on June 19, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
 is that a different  rear boot lock ?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on June 20, 2017, 01:35:17 AM
Pretty sure it is.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on June 20, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
yep, it's the 3d printed one, chromed by Wayne.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on September 29, 2017, 07:30:40 PM
Not been on for a while. As the car was roadworthy my wife and I have been making the most of the sunshine, taking every opportunity for some top-down cruising.

Its been great fun, lots of smiles and pleasant remarks about the car, lots of chats in car parks, waves and thumbs up from other cars, and a nice feeling whilst out and about.

BUT all good things have to end, and I shall be placing the car on SORN from tomorrow......time to get on with the interior over the winter months.

I am both sad, that I can't drive it for up to 6 months....and excited, that, hopefully, the next time I do, the interior should attract similar comments to the outside.

I cannot tell you how pleased I will be to get the door cards finally fitted...at the moment every time I go round a roundabout at any sort of speed my internal door handle falls off, as it's not yet pinned.

so here we go again....gulp   :-\
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on September 29, 2017, 11:18:16 PM
Exciting times mate - well done. I bet she's an honest joy.

Classic that the door handle falls off :)

Actually, classic Ferrari

:D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 17, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
Before I ripped into the interior I have had a go at fitting the headlight surrounds I got made in Stainless...they are not quite right yet, I think they might need spire nuts to give them the possibility of some "fine adjustment" but they will do for now.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 18, 2017, 07:41:37 PM
Roughly fitted the rear bulkhead replacement over the cut down seat belt reels;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 18, 2017, 07:43:48 PM
Then I let a troupe of monkeys loose on the dashboard....if there is enough of them they should get it back in....whilst writing the complete works of Shakespeare....I hope  :o

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 19, 2017, 06:39:24 AM
WOW!!!!!!
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Post by: Furrari on November 19, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
Sir P.

If you think that's a lot of wire you should see behind the dash of an SL.  It's frightening.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on November 19, 2017, 09:55:57 AM
not just a simple overdash as the 430 :o I hope you have detailed instructions from DNA or you have made your own as I will be doing this in the summer next year, thats asuming I can find a low mileage 2.8 z3.
Your car is looking Awesome
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 19, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
Thanks Madman. Got the brackets on the dashboard support cut off today. I am lucky enough to live 15 minutes away from DNA so I shall be nipping down for instructions on bits of the dash.

I have also been given the name of a top car electrician and I am not ashamed to say that, if need be, I will call him in to do the actual instrument wiring...although I fully intend to do all the mechanical and physical stuff myself, including actually fitting the dash and getting the heater controls set up.

Being colour blind does not help with the wiring.
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Post by: MADMAN on November 19, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
Thats handy, except for being colour blind
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on November 19, 2017, 07:44:38 PM
I love it that you have ripped out the entire dashboard and front passenger seat, and yet among all that scary stuff you still left the map book and water in the netting storage!! 😀😀
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 19, 2017, 07:47:56 PM
Well you know, just in case!
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Post by: Furrari on November 19, 2017, 10:55:15 PM
Sir P.  I thought most electricians were colour blind.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 27, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
Dashboard roughly positioned;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on November 27, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Coming on nicely Sir P. I hope you got a detailed wiring diagram or are the wires simply extended
MADMAN
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Post by: seriph on November 28, 2017, 02:55:30 AM
Hey. Looking good. Is the dash supplied or modified from the Beemer’s original?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 28, 2017, 11:23:53 AM
Coming on nicely Sir P. I hope you got a detailed wiring diagram or are the wires simply extended
MADMAN

Got a fairly comprehensive wiring diagram. Most wires are extended from the three coloured plugs that go into the back of the instrument cluster printed circuit board, then some come off the light switch, some off the three new senders (oil temp/pressure & water temp) and a few can be connected straight up (fog lights for instance, & A/C)

Trouble is that there are many awkward colour combinations that it is almost impossible to replicate (for instance the fog lights are again a good example; the four wires are yellow+blue, yellow+brown, yellow+light purple and yellow+dark purple....) each one will need to be extended with the coloured wire I can get hold of....so its all going to get a bit complicated.

Hey. Looking good. Is the dash supplied or modified from the Beemer’s original?

The dash is/was a DNA moulding. The front of the original BM dash is retained (the bit with the windscreen vents) so is the associated pipework ...then the new dash is joined to it on the moulding curve....you just loose the "eyeballs"
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Post by: Sir Percival on November 28, 2017, 11:31:18 AM
Oh and I forgot to say, the original ignition switch is cut off and the wires extended to the new position in the centre of the dash....needless to say that these are meaty wires (30amp) and must be extended using wires with the same load capacity.

Whereas most of the instrument wiring is very low load and therefore very slim....which is just as well because there is not a great deal of space behind the dash.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on November 28, 2017, 06:01:30 PM
sounds basically what I expected, more or less extending existing wires to relocate in a different position. The Scudo has similar issues but on a smaller scale.
Thanks Sir P.
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on November 29, 2017, 04:59:49 AM
Perhaps you could find a Z3 loom from a wrecking yard?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on November 29, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
That sounds like a good idea
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 29, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
One thing I did was I bought a second hand dashboard, with no instruments or anything, just the plastic.

This meant I could cut it up ready for fitting so that I didn't have to wait until I had removed my own dash, then dismantle it and then cut it up.

Saved a bit of time and, because my car was on the road, we were able to continue driving it for a bit longer in the nice weather and I could still get on with some prep work.

Plus it meant that if I made a mistake I also had a spare....just in case.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 05, 2017, 08:48:50 PM
OK, so the dash has been trial fitted and after much trimming and juggling, now fits a treat. The next issue was starting to fit the switch gear, the most awkward to physically fit being the light switch. Because of the way the switch works (pull out once for sidelights and then again for headlights plus twist the knob for increase/decrease switchgear illumination) it is hard to fit into the new dash.

 This is because it is recessed into the mouldings of the original dash, by the drivers vent eyeball and, if mounted flush on the new dash, has a lot of travel outwards and would stick out too far.

 So to make it work I first cut the switch knob in half;

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Post by: Sir Percival on December 05, 2017, 08:50:09 PM
Then the end with the recessed nut in it was pushed and glued into the other end, thus shortening it;

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Post by: Sir Percival on December 05, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Then I fitted a block of wood behind the dash, drilled it, and pushed the cut off retainer from the old dash over the light switch shaft, I also filled the empty inside of the light switch knob with a cut down old bump stop I had lying about and placed some small grommets over the shaft, to give it some support, as the retaining screw is now at the far end;

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Post by: Sir Percival on December 05, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Then the switch unit was pushed through the hole in the wood and the old retaining sleeve glued in. This means that the switch unit is still removable should it ever conk out;

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Post by: Sir Percival on December 05, 2017, 08:53:48 PM
Now only a small amount sticks out if you pull the switch all the way out for headlights. I have ordered a soft rubber concertina sleeve (as used on radio control actuator shafts) and all I need to do is unscrew the silver knob and slide the concertina over the shaft, then when the switch is pulled to its furthest extent the shaft of it will be covered.

 Did another trial fit of the dash and there is plenty of room to get to both the switch unit and the plug.

 It sounds quick now but this has taken me about three days of head scratching to work out....one of the joys of a kit car, each unique problem requires a unique solution (and a garage full of junk often comes in handy)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on December 06, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
Excellent work.

This is the side of kit car build that others don't appreciate.  The work involved in such a simple thing as mounting a light switch.  You could do a much simpler job but you would never be satisfied with it as you know it wasn't right.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on December 06, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
Keep up the info, very helpful.

If it helps, JoeB n the madabout forum is doing something very similar on his 3000s, might give you a few ideas.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6546&page=2
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 06, 2017, 07:16:44 PM
Thanks mate
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Post by: Sir Percival on December 21, 2017, 10:43:12 PM
Dashboard and instrument re-positioning coming on nicely. Wiring for tacho and speedo just about finished along with fog light switches, new heater fan control, wiring for new senders, wiring for central instruments and hand brake re-positioned.

 Instrument PCB is still used along with the three main plugs, this has been attached in position to fit under the new dash.

Oh and steering lock cut off and re-profiled to allow new steering shaft cowling to be fitted.

 Ignition loom lengthened to reach the new central position and electric boot release laid in.
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Post by: Jez on December 21, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
Wow Perce, you are motoring along!!

Great work.

Jez
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Post by: johnjames on December 22, 2017, 12:05:25 AM
Hi sir p keep up the good work on the dash I've got mine temporary fitted for now. And I'm waiting to see what you do keep up the good work John James.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 25, 2017, 12:23:02 PM
Just waiting for the guests to turn up for lunch. Found a few more bits of wiring to do yesterday, so wired up the hood switch and drilled and fitted the fog warning LED into the dash....then found the emergency flasher switch under all the debris, that also needs extending....will do that tomorrow.

Trouble with the dash is the sequencing; you can't fit the speedo and the tacho until you have connected the heater controls....and once you do that you can't take the dash all the way out, which makes the actual physical fit of the two big instruments difficult because you need to get to the back to tighten them up....hopefully I will be able to pull the dash forward enough to reach up behind....BUT no point doing that until I have wired up the ignition switch to get power to check that everything works....or the whole thing might have to come out again!!

Plus trying to fit enough felt tape and tie-wraps to stop any rattles. Has anyone worked out how the kick plate under the drivers side goes back yet....I presume it has to be cut to fit? Plus I have a radio on order that has to be fitted, and an aerial, and a USB connection....and I don't know whether to fit a 12 volt power socket.

Heaven knows when it will be in permanently.
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Post by: johnjames on December 25, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
Hi sir p hope you're having a good Christmas I've been working out my dash and under the glove box just above the foot well there is a flat section I am put in a 12 volt socket there so that I can plug my satnav in, I'm also put another socket below the glove box up under the dash from a front facing camera worked out where to put the USB socket for my phone where you have the three pull levers for the heater there is enough room behind the first switch near the Passengers footwell  for the USB phone socket but check yours before you drill any holes because I removed all by air conditioning to give me more room. I cut a piece of polystyrene the same size as the back of the switches and stuck it with tape to the back of the dash and then tried it up against the car and nothing got in the way hope this helps all the best John James
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Post by: Furrari on December 26, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
JJ. ( and everybody who is wiring their car ). Just a point I learnt in wiring up narrow boats.  Don't put wiring near polystyrene as this can (will) rapidly cause the wire insulation to degrade and you will get all sorts of problems.

Mick.
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Post by: johnjames on December 26, 2017, 12:27:48 PM
Hi Mick I hope you're well know what I meant is to work out if you've got enough space where your switches are going put a block of polystyrene behind the dash the same size as your switch then when you put your dash in you will know if you've got enough room because the polystyrene well crumple up then you can take your dash away remove the polystyrene and then cut the hole for the switch that's what I'm doing it saves me cutting holes in the wrong place the good thing is it's not so complicated as a Mercedes but then the Mercedes had fibre optics which I did not touch anyway have a great Boxing Day John James.
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Post by: Sir Percival on December 27, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
Reached a bit of a milestone today, wired up the ignition switch and fired her up (old key taped to the immobiliser pick up) ....started first time. Tacho and speedo just clipped in on to their plugs.

Tacho was reading wrong, but only because I had set the switches on the back the way DNA said in the blurb they gave me.

Important note for straight six owners; it is switch 3 that needs to be in the up position, not switch 2...their notes must have been written for a 4 cylinder version. Flicked the switch and reading appears spot on now.

Four way flashers work both externally and on the Tacho indicators. Could not check left/right indicator operation because I don't have them fitted back in yet....same with main beam indicator.

Oil light/battery light on dash working (on the old senders, I have yet to swop them) boot release working, lights all working externally, both tacho and speedo light up OK when you switch on the lights. Ancillary instruments not fitted yet.

Handbrake indicator light working. Heater fan works fine.

Two problems came to light; DNA give you a momentary switch for the fog light...for some reason it isn't working properly and the rear fog is only on if you hold it in the on position, also it does not light up the fog light on indicator....but if you switch on the front ones (which has an ordinary switch) they work fine and the indicator lights up....I might have them wired up a bit wrong....but at least they are easy to get to.

Second issue is that the dimmer on the main light switch does not seem to work on the tacho/speedo....maybe it only works on the ancillary gauges...anybody know if it should dim the tacho/speedo or not?

Other than that, well pleased, will fix these small snags then move on to final connection of the heater cables, fitting tacho/speedo permanently, tighten up some of the switches (the ones where the nut is on the back, Fog indicator/boot press button) Then start wiring up the ancillary instruments, including fitting the resistor for the fuel gauge. I will get them all wired and then change the senders last...I have already laid the cables for these.

A good day.
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Post by: firefife on December 28, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Some good tips there Sir P. I have got boot solenoid, ignition switch & windows wired for when I took it to paint, but have the rest to do when I get it back. Also will have to tidy up the wiring I have done as it was just laid for getting things working temporarily.
I bought another lever switch for the fog light from Car Builder Solutions
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on December 28, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
JJ ( and anybody else seeing if things fit). I prefer to use blue tack to see if things fit.  Poly squishes down and then expands back towards its original size when you let it relax.  Or you can use the good old Blue Peter stand by, plastercene. ( or however it's spelt).
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: johnjames on December 28, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Hi Mick you could use sticky back plastic, toilet rolls, or washing up bottles sounds like Blue Peter doesn't it especially if you use plasticine, have not started my dash yet wait to see how other people get on I think I'll be alright once I get started the problem is getting started.  John James.   👷
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Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2018, 09:17:53 PM
Got quite a lot done over the holidays. All dashboard switches now repositioned and working (apart from the dimmer switch....I am working on that) Got to be done, as the instruments are so bright it's like looking at two London eyes...on New Years eve...and I don't think wearing welders goggles, when driving at night, is a good idea.

 Going to try and finally fit the tacho and speedo, unfortunately they are retained from the rear so I have to pull the entire dash forward again to get my hand round the back....another job where my forearm will end up looking like am aerial photo of the canals on Mars....in blood.

 Still, permanent attachment of the dash after that should be possible, and then I can start connecting the ancillary instruments...but I also have three new senders to fit and a ballast resistor to go in the fuel indicator wiring, to ensure correct tank contents reading.

 Then I need to fit the new front bulkhead that covers the A/C unit, then the carpets and then the new seats....then finish the headlight covers, fit the new steering shaft cover, and the new indicator stalks, and the speedo calibration switch, door cards, new speakers........blimey, wish I hadn't listed it now....still lots to do.
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Post by: Sir Percival on January 01, 2018, 09:19:58 PM
Oh and another note about the Tacho....on 6 cylinders you need both switches 2 and 3 in the on (up) position.....I finally read the instructions that come with it!!!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 05, 2018, 02:30:59 PM
Dashboard now mounted permanently (I hope), here is a picture of the tacho and speedo in their final resting places;

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Post by: jaguartvr on January 05, 2018, 02:56:53 PM
Do the instruments come with any fitting instructions and wiring diagrams?
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Post by: Sir Percival on January 05, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
Yes, sort of. DNA supply quite a comprehensive set of notes BUT they are based on a 2000 model I think, and also not a six cylinder one, so you have to check with a wiring diagram of which ever model and year you have.

On mine for instance (1998, 2.8) the tacho take off is different and so is the clock wiring, the tacho switching for calibration is also different, as is the fuel sender take off. Mine appears to be a bit of a hybrid anyway which seemed to be made at the time when the wiring was being re-vamped for the next model.

The differences are mainly to do with the three plugs on the main instrument PCB and which wires you have to splice into. Apart from the above the instructions are quite good though. so you definitely need the appropriate Electrical Trouble shooting manual (free on the internet)

There are a lot of splices and keeping the wire colours the same is impossible.....as I mentioned elsewhere about the fog lights.
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Post by: Sir Percival on January 05, 2018, 09:23:07 PM
That should read 2.8
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Post by: Furrari on January 05, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Wiring on the SL is very strange.  Power for example is black, and there are no wiring diagrams anyway.

As most of the wiring I've done in the past was on Austins and other BL cars I use the old Austin colours.  It helps that these wiring colours are readily obtainable.
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Post by: Jez on January 07, 2018, 05:27:38 PM
I have just used a selection of colours but labelled every single one so there's no confusion or assumption!!

Jez
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Post by: Sir Percival on January 07, 2018, 08:21:40 PM
I have tried to use red for power, and black for earth. If a line was brown and yellow I have used brown, yellow and brown = yellow....that type of thing.

When it comes to yellow/light purple and yellow/dark purple you just have to make a single colour choice and label it.

I also left all my other labels on.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: johnjames on January 17, 2018, 03:06:00 PM
Hi sir p did you ever get your dimmer switch sorted to dim the speedo as I am having the same problem I could put up with a bright speedo and rev counter but it shines off the windscreen because of the angle of the clocks they sort of face upwards and not towards. If you've sorted it can you post the details John James
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Post by: jaguartvr on January 17, 2018, 04:00:30 PM
Worth checking that it hasn't been "repaired"
If you look on the link and scroll down to the picture by Brian H it shows the soldered on wire that bypasses the dimmer.

http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41684
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on January 17, 2018, 08:32:24 PM
Hi sir p did you ever get your dimmer switch sorted to dim the speedo as I am having the same problem I could put up with a bright speedo and rev counter but it shines off the windscreen because of the angle of the clocks they sort of face upwards and not towards. If you've sorted it can you post the details John James

Yes is the answer. BUT it depends on you having the gauges supplied by DNA. If you have, and you wire them up as advised by them, then there is already a dimmer system installed.

You must use the press button on the speedo (the one that is used for calibration) with ignition on click through the menu until you get to "dimmer", press and hold the button for 2 seconds and a + sign will come up, then click through the dimmer settings (it goes up in 10% increments) when you get to the percentage setting you like, press and hold the button for 2 seconds again and an asterisk will come up showing that that setting is set in the memory. A couple of seconds after that, the display will return to normal.

If you have the rev counter connected as you should the dim setting will also be transferred to it (and I presume the rest of the ancillary instruments, but can't say for sure as I have not fitted them yet)

Detailed instructions on this are at the bottom of the speedo instructions.

Set mine up at 50%...just the job.
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Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
A VERY USFUL TIP FOR ANYONE BUILDING A 250 USING A PRE-2000 DONOR Z3

We have all seen the traffic on here about whether or not a ABS light is required for the MOT.

I have fancied one, as I did not want the car to fail at the last hurdle BUT as I have already fitted the dash I did not want the PITA of removing it again.

So I did some research on the wiring diagrams. IF YOU HAVE A PRE-2000 donor there is an easier way.

Pre-2000 the ABS/ASC control module is inside the car under where the glovebox used to be (after 2000 it is attached to the ABS hydraulic control under the bonnet). It is relatively easy to get to (with the usual bit of contortion) with the dash fitted. It is over on the left hand side and only one bolt drops it down, to make the next step a bit easier.

The signal for the ABS lamp comes from this box and by undoing the plug and uncovering the wires it is quite simple (using the wiring diagrams from weedone) to find the wire (Pin 34 on plug X1171, green/black/yellow)

You can then splice into it and connect an ABS lamp (I am going to keep mine over on the passenger side, as it only lights for a few seconds and, if all is OK, goes out)

ALSO from this box comes the output for the ASC lamp (Pin 44, blue/brown) so I am going to fit a lamp on that as well, so I know if ASC is on or off. Again it will stay over on the passenger side (both are visible from the driving position.

Problem solved, without having to take out the dash again. I include a couple of pictures.

Anyone with a post 2000 donor.....hard luck  ;)
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Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Is anybody else fed up with wired in-line fuses where the wire they come fitted with is really thick, like 30amp.

I was, but now I have managed to find the one below from, a marine supplier, that can be crimped on. There is a metal sleeve in each end to crimp, it pulls apart to change the fuse and it takes up to 30 amp fuses and 12 - 18 gauge wire......and it takes up minimal space.

From RIS marine in Southampton.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
By the way, if you ever wanted to know how much current you new gauges draw, it should be less than 700mA for all of them.

You can see why here;

https://www.autometer.com/resources/index/tech_videos

and click on the "How Much Current Do My AutoMeter Gauges Draw?"

You do not need battleship strength wiring for gauges.....or big fuses...I am fitting a 1amp fuse for my 4 ancillary gauges as they should draw less than 500mA...and by the time a 3amp fuse goes they would probably be fried.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on February 08, 2018, 05:28:43 PM
Sir P.  I was thought by my father (ex Air Force ground crew) that the purpose of a fuse was to protect the wireing.  A pain to replace an electrical unit but a major job to replace wireing even if the car survives.

If you imaging four, 5 amp lights (totalling 20 amp).  If you use one (20 amp) fuse, all the wireing, to each light has to be able to carry 20 amp or the wire will burn out.  If you use a separate, 5amp fuse for each light the wire from where it devides only has to calmly 5 amp.  Plus the fact that you will only lose the one faulty light/circuit. 
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Post by: Sir Percival on February 08, 2018, 08:03:55 PM
I agree.

It will protecting both my low amperage wiring, used because space is at a premium behind the dash.....and the gauges themselves.

Fortunately the illumination for the gauges is on a separate circuit which runs through the BMW fusebox....as it always used too....and is on a 5amp fuse

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 12, 2018, 12:25:11 PM
ABS and ASC lights installed. ASC switch installed. 12 volt power socket installed. All fully functional. Very pleased, no MOT worries now  :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 12, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
Oh and a final tip for anyone using the ABS/ASC plug on a pre-2000 car, as I am, to operate these warning lights....the signal that comes from the plug is an EARTHING one....so the warning lights need permanent switched power from the ignition. I took this from the ASC switch input.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on February 12, 2018, 09:59:58 PM
Great work Perce, I am on the same task myself. Just finished preparing all the extensions to the speedo and tachometer connectors, and the ABS light etc.

Jez
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Post by: Sir Percival on March 08, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Passenger seat prepared and ready to be fitted;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 18, 2018, 11:51:16 AM
Nice work Perce,
How did you secure the plastic trim to the seat? Did you need to trim any/much off? Could you post any photos?

My seat rail brackets are way out of line. It's the seats that were wrong, so I'll have to go back to DNA and get some custom rails made to fit the seat  >:(
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 18, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
Plastic attached to seat with tie-raps from plastic to fixed metal on the seat....perfectly rigid, as there are no stresses other than operating the switch, and easily removable and replaceable, no holes in seat required.

Only needed to trim a small bit at the back and trim off the retaining screw receptacle at the front.
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Post by: Sir Percival on March 18, 2018, 08:31:25 PM
Carpet fitted, passenger seat fitted and seat belt guide.

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Post by: firefife on March 18, 2018, 10:12:01 PM
That looks nice
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Post by: Jez on March 19, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
What colour is your leather Perce? Looks the same as mine.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 19, 2018, 08:09:22 AM
Plastic attached to seat with tie-raps from plastic to fixed metal on the seat....perfectly rigid, as there are no stresses other than operating the switch, and easily removable and replaceable, no holes in seat required.

Only needed to trim a small bit at the back and trim off the retaining screw receptacle at the front.

When you say fixed metal, do you mean the subframe and DNA brackets or the other metal that was attached to the plastic trim? Did you remove the metal part from the plastic part or somehow re-use that?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 19, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
Leather is supposedly "biscuit" or beige really, or light tan...or "sand"

Tie wraps were slid under the DNA seat rails and then around various bits of the metal that are inside the plastic shell....I was going to drill and tap the seat frame, but it is not substantial enough....drilled one hole and then decided against it....it would weaken the internal frame in the seat too much.

You need long ties, but with about four, two straight across and two and angles to prevent fore and aft movement, it is remarkably solid.

You just have to make sure you attach the ties to the same metal that the DNA rails bolt to, because they go up down, back and forward with the seat, so as far as the attachment goes they are static.

On another subject, for anyone with an older M52 engine, you have to buy a T piece for the oil pressure and oil temp senders, as unlike yours Jez, there is only the one off-take....trouble is the temp sender bottoms out in the threads. I don't know if this is a problem or not for it's operation, but it is for sealing it. I have ordered a different T piece to see if it has deeper threads....if not I may have to fit a spacer or something.



Not found the water block drain yet....have to wait till I jack it up.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 19, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
Cheers Perce,
I'm glad I kept the metal parts since the DNA method of fixing meant discarding those. I have re-fitted them and am now investigating a method of fixing with them in place.
I too did not like the idea of drilling into the seat frame. It's tubular for a start, so would be very difficult to drill without the drill bit slipping on the curve....and I don't like drilling through leather and filling as it can snag in the drill bit.
Jez
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 19, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
What colour is your leather Perce? Looks the same as mine.

I thought yours was cream?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on March 19, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
The official term is 'stone' but it looks exactly the same as your photos!!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on March 31, 2018, 01:43:15 PM
Fitted the oil temp and pressure sender after drilling and tapping a nylon block to stop the temp sender bottoming out.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 14, 2018, 12:02:47 PM
Oh and another note about the Tacho....on 6 cylinders you need both switches 2 and 3 in the on (up) position.....I finally read the instructions that come with it!!!

Jez - ref telephone conversation....it is 2&3 that I have switched to the up position
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 14, 2018, 09:04:27 PM
Very odd, because on mine is 2 only, and that's also what Tony said he did with all the ones they built.
Having just switch 2 in the on position gives me a tick-over RPM of 750. Having 2 and 3 up gives me 400 RPM.

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Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 19, 2018, 08:23:52 PM
Good day today. MOT passed with no advisories. did 140 miles to celebrate....didn't miss a beat.    ;D
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 19, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
Yeah!!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 21, 2018, 08:02:26 PM
Here are a few pictures of the car on it's reliability run;

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on April 21, 2018, 11:31:12 PM
Nice! So jealous!!

Looking great Perce - well done.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on April 22, 2018, 08:20:26 AM
The pics you and Jez post show what a great loss it is that DNA can no longe produce the 250.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: firefife on April 22, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Looking good mate
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 23, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
I agree....and I have told Brian what a great shame it is....he has been very unlucky.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: johnjames on April 24, 2018, 05:53:26 PM
Hi sir p the car looks really nice now it's out in the sunshine looking forward to going to Stoneleigh and seeing all these beautiful cars in their different colours you take care buddy John James
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on May 23, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
At last, after two and a half years, the car is finished (ish). Now I can just go about the business of driving it......and polishing it of course  ;)

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on May 23, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
First class
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on May 23, 2018, 05:02:39 PM
Stunning, give yourself a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 16, 2018, 07:48:09 PM
Finally found out what is catching when I go over sleeping policemen.....the front number plate!!

As the back wheels go over the hump it forces the nose down...and the lowest bit on the front is the bottom of the number plate (as you can see from my earlier pictures)

Changed the brackets and moved it up quite a bit....hopefully it will be OK now.

Surprising how such a thin bit of aluminium could make such a horrible noise.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: seriph on July 16, 2018, 10:40:35 PM
Stunning. Any chance an old Aussie mate can get high res versions :)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: firefife on July 17, 2018, 10:17:29 AM
Whilst at Le Mans, we stayed in a gite in Bouloire, there was a double gate to get in with a heavy gate stop in the ground & guess who wacked it with a bang & actually bent the stop over.
We used a club hammer to re position it & checked under the car with a scissor jack, can't see any damage but the lowest point is a torsion bar in front. I had previously raised the rear suspension back to standard & now goes over speed humps easily & doesn't look out of place. When we got home I raised it on my new high lift jack & had a good look underneath, still can't see any damage.
Maybe I should raise the fronts back to standard too.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 25, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
Stunning. Any chance an old Aussie mate can get high res versions :)

Sorry mate, only got low rez
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Commando on July 29, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
Most gorgeous car and credit to you Sir P . Looks a million dollars , well done .
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on July 29, 2018, 10:45:01 PM
Cheers mate....long time no speaky    ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Commando on July 29, 2018, 11:07:40 PM
Yes , nearly 4yrs . Think when one of these come up for sale it might have to have my name on it and then return to the fold ?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on August 01, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
There is one for sale on ebay here is link
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-250-SWB-GT-California-Spider-Recreation-/173422969630
But dont get too excited till you have seen the price
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on August 01, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Going by that advert, what would an unstarted 2fifty kit be worth?
Might have a sniff of one
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on August 02, 2018, 11:26:58 AM
They are worth whatever you think they ate worth, but if you dont like the smell of it let me have the next sniff ;D
MADMAN 8)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on August 02, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
I want a sniff   ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Commando on August 04, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
Wow , thats surely not achievable ? Beautiful , absolutely but 92K !!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Jez on August 28, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
If a fibreglass bodied replica can sell for $407,000 in the US then maybe it is achievable, especially since the Modena car is not that good a replica anyway?

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/multimedia/Ferris-Buellers-day-off-Car-Auction-Sold-How-Much-491817641.html?_osource=SocialNewsDeskFB_KNBC

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 08, 2018, 12:14:04 PM
This is for all 250 Cal owners....you probably know it already, but it is a useful reminder even if you do.

Mine had been in the garage, unused, for a couple of weeks. A nice sunny, dry day (but cold) came along and I thought I would take the car out of the garage and give it a pre-winter clean.

Jumped in, went to start it and, oh no, I had a totally flat battery. It was probably my fault as I had been messing with the interior courtesy light (I will investigate).

Now, as we know, with a flat battery you can't open the boot to get to the battery...so what to do, as I have not fitted a mechanical release, as some of you cleverly have.

Any road up, I remembered reading in the manual that you can charge the battery from the front, from under the bonnet. Sure enough there is a connection on the right hand side for the plus side of the battery, and then you just earth on the metalwork.

Managed to get some charge into it, even though it was flat as a pancake, and all was well.

The moral being, as long as your bonnet catch does not fail at the same time (highly unlikely) you can charge the battery from the front of the car and get yourself out of a sticky situation.

I have now ordered a battery conditioning charger, that I shall attach to the battery, and drop the plug out of the hole that is in the boot, that used to be for dropping the spare wheel.

Nightmare averted.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Furrari on November 09, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
I don’t know the layout of the Z3, so excuse me if I’m talking a lot of round things, but I suppose this can apply to many other cars as well.

In the old days the starter solenoid was separate to the starter motor, these days the solenoid and the starter are one item.  If you have a flat battery and can get at the main feed from the battery to the starter sol you can charge the battery that way.  An alternative is to remove the main output lead from the alternator and charge through that, but that will depend on the car’s electrical system. ( starter feed is safer)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on November 10, 2018, 10:22:02 AM
My central locking failed for no reason so there was no way to get into the car. I had to remove the rear window and even then the car could not be opened from the inside until the key was in the ignition.
I managed to get the window back in but it had weakened the stitching. I have it booked in for a new roof next week.
Expensive mistake.

I take it that Sir Percy's car was unlocked, if it was locked you wouldn't have been able to get into the car to open the bonnet. As your rear window does not have a zip it would have been a VERY expensive mistake. Probably cheaper to smash the driver's window.
Someone on the madabout forum has worked a way to wire a hidden switch to the driver's window allowing you to lower the window in case the cars locking fails.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on November 10, 2018, 01:56:19 PM
My central locking failed for no reason so there was no way to get into the car. I had to remove the rear window and even then the car could not be opened from the inside until the key was in the ignition.
I managed to get the window back in but it had weakened the stitching. I have it booked in for a new roof next week.
Expensive mistake.

I take it that Sir Percy's car was unlocked, if it was locked you wouldn't have been able to get into the car to open the bonnet. As your rear window does not have a zip it would have been a VERY expensive mistake. Probably cheaper to smash the driver's window.
Someone on the madabout forum has worked a way to wire a hidden switch to the driver's window allowing you to lower the window in case the cars locking fails.
Link
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?p=97594#post97594
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 12, 2018, 02:24:15 PM
My central locking failed for no reason so there was no way to get into the car. I had to remove the rear window and even then the car could not be opened from the inside until the key was in the ignition.
I managed to get the window back in but it had weakened the stitching. I have it booked in for a new roof next week.
Expensive mistake.

I take it that Sir Percy's car was unlocked, if it was locked you wouldn't have been able to get into the car to open the bonnet. As your rear window does not have a zip it would have been a VERY expensive mistake. Probably cheaper to smash the driver's window.
Someone on the madabout forum has worked a way to wire a hidden switch to the driver's window allowing you to lower the window in case the cars locking fails.

Yes, you are right, it was unlocked, so I could open the bonnet....I never lock it when it is in my garage as I have my normal car parked outside the garage, which blocks it.

However even if it had been locked all would not be lost as, if you remember from my build thread, I did run an emergency set of wires from the boot lock to underneath the car, so I could still have popped the boot using them by just touching them on a 12 volt battery. I didn't do that this time because I didn't need to (and they are all bagged up neatly....so dire emergency only)

Then I could get to the battery and charge it....but I do agree that the central locking is pretty pants on the Z3.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 12, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
I don’t know the layout of the Z3, so excuse me if I’m talking a lot of round things, but I suppose this can apply to many other cars as well.

In the old days the starter solenoid was separate to the starter motor, these days the solenoid and the starter are one item.  If you have a flat battery and can get at the main feed from the battery to the starter sol you can charge the battery that way.  An alternative is to remove the main output lead from the alternator and charge through that, but that will depend on the car’s electrical system. ( starter feed is safer)

Yep, I agree with all this, but on the Z3 this design is specifically to allow both battery charging from under the bonnet, and jump starting...so quite handy....with no need to grub about on the floor with the spanners....nice and simple.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on November 12, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
Oh and without having to empty the boot to get to the battery of course  ;)
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on February 02, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
My bonnet has always had a minor problem, I think it may have been a little bit warped when it was pulled out of the mould, as it never sat down correctly on the bump stops...about 4mm out.

It was driving me mad because whatever adjustments I made the back end, near the screen, would "flutter" when driving along....really annoying.

So I finally had enough and decided to fit quick snap type bonnet pins either side. It was a bit sweat inducing, positioning them and drilling the bonnet, but managed to fit them in the same holes that were used by the bump stops.

It has worked out a treat, no flutter and much better bonnet fit, with just two small buttons to press before releasing the bonnet main catch (or after...it makes no difference) Super.

Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 29, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
I have finally got rid of ALL the hydro-chrome on my 250.

All the external shiny bits are now either chrome metal or mirror stainless (with the minor exception of the stick on chrome flashings) so I no longer have to worry about them going tatty.

I also now have a fully functioning boot handle and lock, it was not easy to get right and required some fabrication, but now works a treat and looks great.

 ;D

By the way, quick tip that I expect many of you are aware of already, when removing stuck on (with 3M) chrome strips....dental floss is brilliant. Just slide it behind the edge of the strip to be removed and then use a sawing action. It cuts through the sponge backing in no time just leaving the sponge remnants and the glue to be cleaned off using a suitable solvent....doddle!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: jaguartvr on December 29, 2019, 03:09:16 PM
What size and where did you get the rubber trim for the lower screen surround?
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on December 30, 2019, 02:31:53 PM
Can't help with the rubber on the front of the scuttle trim, as I used the original given to me by DNA. (which is U profile but the bottom is flat and the top has a curve)

For the rear of the trim (that rests on, or near, the windscreen) I used some soft 5mm (or 7mm) U channel black rubber, that I got off the web...ebay I think!
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Mechman on December 30, 2019, 05:32:20 PM
Hi 2fifty types! , for any seals try sealsdirect. co. uk,  they have the U channel with lip seal and U section for the rear. The SS scuttle cover  is a @#$€ to fit and the fit at the A post depends on if you have the BMW chrome screen trims or not,  but it definitely worth it
Regards Mechman.
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: MADMAN on December 30, 2019, 07:28:54 PM
Hi 2fifty types! , for any seals try sealsdirect. co. uk,  they have the U channel with lip seal and U section for the rear. The SS scuttle cover  is a @#$€ to fit and the fit at the A post depends on if you have the BMW chrome screen trims or not,  but it definitely worth it
Regards Mechman.
have you got code no. for these
cheers MADMAN
Title: Re: Sir Percivals 2Fifty Cal build thread
Post by: Sir Percival on April 02, 2021, 07:14:42 PM
I have just bought two rear brake/side light LED bulbs from Classic LED's.

They are a direct swap for the old bulbs and draw far less power, so place less strain on the wiring.

You have to buy red ones, not clear, for the full effect, and they are brilliant in all senses of the word. At 7 quid each they are well worth it, as my old brake lights were pretty dismal on a sunny day.

Great for helping to stop the old lady in a Fiat 500 running into your back end ;D